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03-30-2003, 11:43 AM
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Moser users or future Moser Buyers, advice inside The Moser's are atrociously installed/setup from Moser. I had ProStreet Moser 4.11s and they were horrendously loud. I had an EXCELLENT gear installer swap them out for a set of Yukon 4.11s and new bearings. It is DEAD silent. I can't discern any whine at all. It's all in the install, all of it! Here are just a few of the things that my installer came across while dismantling the Moser:
1. A shim was missing from my differential spider gear was laying in the housing all by itself. Steve had to rebuild the differential to install the shim.
2. The pinion nut was striped , all the theads were squared and rounded off.
3. The pinion depth was set wrong and made the gears wear on the out side of the ring gear.
4. The back spacing was off too.
No wonder everyone complains they are loud. They are setup **** POOR! Set them up right, silent. I love to drive my car now. I'm not deafened by HOWLING! This was just me experience, though.
<small>[ March 30, 2003, 11:47 AM: Message edited by: CANNIBAL ]</small>
1. A shim was missing from my differential spider gear was laying in the housing all by itself. Steve had to rebuild the differential to install the shim.
2. The pinion nut was striped , all the theads were squared and rounded off.
3. The pinion depth was set wrong and made the gears wear on the out side of the ring gear.
4. The back spacing was off too.
No wonder everyone complains they are loud. They are setup **** POOR! Set them up right, silent. I love to drive my car now. I'm not deafened by HOWLING! This was just me experience, though.
<small>[ March 30, 2003, 11:47 AM: Message edited by: CANNIBAL ]</small>
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Re: Moser users or future Moser Buyers, advice inside </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by chikn:
<strong> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" />
One would expect a $2400 unit to be free of that kind of nonsense. I think Im going to stick to my 8.8 plan. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">My thoughts EXACTLY.
<strong> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" />
One would expect a $2400 unit to be free of that kind of nonsense. I think Im going to stick to my 8.8 plan. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">My thoughts EXACTLY.
03-30-2003, 11:45 PM
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Re: Moser users or future Moser Buyers, advice inside just some info.. the pro street gears themselves are the source for the common moser whine.. this is because these gears contain more nickel in them for strength..
like rob told me on he phone, you can have strong or quiet.
i hope the gm gears hold up for you.
like rob told me on he phone, you can have strong or quiet.
i hope the gm gears hold up for you.
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Re: Moser users or future Moser Buyers, advice inside you'd think for $2400 you wouldnt get crap <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />
03-31-2003, 12:46 AM
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Re: Moser users or future Moser Buyers, advice inside first i love it when people who dont own and drive a moser comment on thier crapness like this guy before me.
second, the nickel in teh gears makes them stronger = not crap.
third, cannibal, i hope you the best, but if or when you ever get on the track and hook that car right, your gears i BET will make plenty of noise. mine new was deal quiet btu after some hard launches they are a bit noisy.
forth, screw paying 1600 bucks+ for a ford product in my GM! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_images/icons/tongue.gif" />
second, the nickel in teh gears makes them stronger = not crap.
third, cannibal, i hope you the best, but if or when you ever get on the track and hook that car right, your gears i BET will make plenty of noise. mine new was deal quiet btu after some hard launches they are a bit noisy.
forth, screw paying 1600 bucks+ for a ford product in my GM! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_images/icons/tongue.gif" />
03-31-2003, 08:10 AM
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Re: Moser users or future Moser Buyers, advice inside Gator you should stick to Law school and bench racing. Im the guy that Installed Cannibals gears and I have installed 41 gearsets so far in the last year and I have Zero come backs and I have never had any problems with any of my customers and I stand behind my work , Which is more than what you get from most installers. The only thing I agree with on your post is what you stated about the nickel content in gears. For your information I have a couple of guys pushing well over 400+ at the wheels and none of them have broken there 7.5" with a Torsen Diff, Infact One guy blew out his Spec 3 clutch and did not hurt his rearend with my set up. So I must be doing something right. If you want a Race car build one for racing. If you want to savce cash put a spool in your 7.5" or what ever you have and be done with it and make sure the guy whos does the work will stand behind it. <img border="0" alt="[USA]" title="" src="graemlins/patriot.gif" /> Oh and by the way none of my customers gears whine even after the run there cars down the track or countless miles of daily use.. Have a Nice Day. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
<small>[ March 31, 2003, 08:14 AM: Message edited by: Lord of the Ring Gears ]</small>
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03-31-2003, 10:00 AM
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Re: Moser users or future Moser Buyers, advice inside oh you got me, i am a straight up bench racer..... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />
second lets see how things turnout with a built 7.5" rear. plenty of guys have put over 500 RWHP through it but not for long at all. not when you hook and launch like cars that are purpose built like mine <img border="0" alt="[evil]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_devil.gif" /> put a real gear, 28" slicks and settle for nothing less than 1.5x on the 60' and then talk about a built POS GM rear. Moser might howl but it will last. mine actually dont howl FYI. <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />
second lets see how things turnout with a built 7.5" rear. plenty of guys have put over 500 RWHP through it but not for long at all. not when you hook and launch like cars that are purpose built like mine <img border="0" alt="[evil]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_devil.gif" /> put a real gear, 28" slicks and settle for nothing less than 1.5x on the 60' and then talk about a built POS GM rear. Moser might howl but it will last. mine actually dont howl FYI. <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />
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Re: Moser users or future Moser Buyers, advice inside I have like 30 1.4 60's and countless 1.5 60's on my stock rear with GM 4.10s. So far so good. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
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Re: Moser users or future Moser Buyers, advice inside [QUOTE]
third, cannibal, i hope you the best, but if or when you ever get on the track and hook that car right, your gears i BET will make plenty of noise. mine new was deal quiet btu after some hard launches they are a bit noisy. Part two of your post. mine actually dont howl FYI.
Spoken like a Lawyer You have two diffrent stories why I don't know. How can your rearend make noise and then not howl? Im still trying to figure this one out? Good thing were not in a Court Law, Perry Mason.
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third, cannibal, i hope you the best, but if or when you ever get on the track and hook that car right, your gears i BET will make plenty of noise. mine new was deal quiet btu after some hard launches they are a bit noisy. Part two of your post. mine actually dont howl FYI.
Spoken like a Lawyer You have two diffrent stories why I don't know. How can your rearend make noise and then not howl? Im still trying to figure this one out? Good thing were not in a Court Law, Perry Mason.
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Re: Moser users or future Moser Buyers, advice inside **** Moser. If theyre not even gonna try to do a decent job assembling it, they should ship it disassembled.
The only reason they ship them assembled, is so they can charge more money. Sounds like they have some minimum wage clown putting them together. <img border="0" alt="[bullshit]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_bs.gif" />
The only reason they ship them assembled, is so they can charge more money. Sounds like they have some minimum wage clown putting them together. <img border="0" alt="[bullshit]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_bs.gif" />
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Re: Moser users or future Moser Buyers, advice inside Well, I know Steve... I know the cars that Steve has put gears in... I know that the owners have NEVER had a problem with Steve's installs (and this includes mutiple passes and daily driving on the gears). So in short, Id listen to what Steve has to say. He knows what he is talking about.
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Re: Moser users or future Moser Buyers, advice inside You cant tell people what they dont want to hear, some ppl argue just to be argueing, as you can tell, ALMOST everyone has a rearend whine, maybe because not many people know how to install gears or set them up RIGHT thus saying ALL gears will whine, but when someone has installed as many gears and steve and they dont whine, hes automatially f.o.s
Why is it not possiable that the almighty moser cant make anything bad?
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Why is it not possiable that the almighty moser cant make anything bad?
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03-31-2003, 07:26 PM
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Re: Moser users or future Moser Buyers, advice inside Good info levi, I am about to put a spool in mine and might as well throw in a new set of gears and have them set up the 'right' way. My moser has whined like a mother ever since it was new, before racing.
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04-01-2003, 12:16 AM
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Re: Moser users or future Moser Buyers, advice inside </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">second, the nickel in teh gears makes them stronger = not crap.
third, cannibal, i hope you the best, but if or when you ever get on the track and hook that car right, your gears i BET will make plenty of noise. mine new was deal quiet btu after some hard launches they are a bit noisy.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I'm fully aware of the softer alloy's purpose and usage for drag racing. I never said the gears quality themselves were crap. I said that the install was atrocious causing for a horrendously loud reciprocating assembly.
Tony did a LOT of drag racing so a gear that was softer and can absorb more of the stress w/out sheering the teeth off is a plus. However, these will be louder and Moser told me that for street driving the gears would get destroyed over an extended period of time due to all the vibrations/bumps etc you encounter on the street.
I also never plan to put stickies on the car, only street tires so essentially I'll never "really" hook thus my gears will stay quiet <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
My beef is the install. I mean, come on, leaving a shim IN the differential, what kind of b.s. is that? For all the $$ that Tony and others pay for these rearends and now seeing how they can be setup to run quiet there's no excuse for it.
I'm just pointing out that these rear ends CAN be setup to be quiet and if people tell you otherwise they're just ignorant to a proper "quiet" install. It shouldn't be a generally accepted fact that all Moser's should whine or be noisy if you request a quiet install. If you want a RACE setup, expect whine and howling. If you desire a strong rearend with a quiet setup it CAN be done if it's setup properly. That's my motive to this post.
Also, they are not GM brand gears. I had Yukon gears installed <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
third, cannibal, i hope you the best, but if or when you ever get on the track and hook that car right, your gears i BET will make plenty of noise. mine new was deal quiet btu after some hard launches they are a bit noisy.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I'm fully aware of the softer alloy's purpose and usage for drag racing. I never said the gears quality themselves were crap. I said that the install was atrocious causing for a horrendously loud reciprocating assembly.
Tony did a LOT of drag racing so a gear that was softer and can absorb more of the stress w/out sheering the teeth off is a plus. However, these will be louder and Moser told me that for street driving the gears would get destroyed over an extended period of time due to all the vibrations/bumps etc you encounter on the street.
I also never plan to put stickies on the car, only street tires so essentially I'll never "really" hook thus my gears will stay quiet <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
My beef is the install. I mean, come on, leaving a shim IN the differential, what kind of b.s. is that? For all the $$ that Tony and others pay for these rearends and now seeing how they can be setup to run quiet there's no excuse for it.
I'm just pointing out that these rear ends CAN be setup to be quiet and if people tell you otherwise they're just ignorant to a proper "quiet" install. It shouldn't be a generally accepted fact that all Moser's should whine or be noisy if you request a quiet install. If you want a RACE setup, expect whine and howling. If you desire a strong rearend with a quiet setup it CAN be done if it's setup properly. That's my motive to this post.
Also, they are not GM brand gears. I had Yukon gears installed <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
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Re: Moser users or future Moser Buyers, advice inside I watched the install, and know the car very well, it is my brothers car, and i can verify that Steve is a hell of a good gear man. He can install them so you never hear them, and yet you are trying to say they all whine? <img border="0" alt="[bullshit]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_bs.gif" /> i know plenty of ppl from the Kyfbodies board, where we are from and have had gears installed and they drive them daily and drag, hook exceptionaly well and have yet to have a noise! So explain that?
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Re: Moser users or future Moser Buyers, advice inside My Moser 12 bolt with spool & 4.30 Street gears is quieter than my 10 bolt with 4.10's, almost like stock. I'm extremely happy with it.
04-06-2003, 10:52 AM
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Re: Moser users or future Moser Buyers, advice inside </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">My Moser 12 bolt with spool & 4.30 Street gears is quieter than my 10 bolt with 4.10's, almost like stock. I'm extremely happy with it.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Ditto..... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
2 year old Moser/33 spline/4.11/ regular 5k dump abuse = much quieter than my 10 bolt/4.10 rear <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">like rob told me on he phone, you can have strong or quiet.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Wrong <img border="0" alt="[bang head]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_banghead.gif" />
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Oh and by the way none of my customers gears whine even after the run there cars down the track or countless miles of daily use.. Have a Nice Day.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Glad to see there are some out there who know what they're doing, and that a rear does not have to <img border="0" alt="[cry]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cry.gif" /> like a lil' girl.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I have like 30 1.4 60's and countless 1.5 60's on my stock rear with GM 4.10s. So far so good. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Terry.....you are the exception rather than the rule <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">You cant tell people what they dont want to hear, some ppl argue just to be argueing, as you can tell, ALMOST everyone has a rearend whine, maybe because not many people know how to install gears or set them up RIGHT thus saying ALL gears will whine, but when someone has installed as many gears and steve and they dont whine, hes automatially f.o.s
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Nuff said.........
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Ditto..... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
2 year old Moser/33 spline/4.11/ regular 5k dump abuse = much quieter than my 10 bolt/4.10 rear <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">like rob told me on he phone, you can have strong or quiet.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Wrong <img border="0" alt="[bang head]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_banghead.gif" />
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Oh and by the way none of my customers gears whine even after the run there cars down the track or countless miles of daily use.. Have a Nice Day.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Glad to see there are some out there who know what they're doing, and that a rear does not have to <img border="0" alt="[cry]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cry.gif" /> like a lil' girl.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I have like 30 1.4 60's and countless 1.5 60's on my stock rear with GM 4.10s. So far so good. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Terry.....you are the exception rather than the rule <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">You cant tell people what they dont want to hear, some ppl argue just to be argueing, as you can tell, ALMOST everyone has a rearend whine, maybe because not many people know how to install gears or set them up RIGHT thus saying ALL gears will whine, but when someone has installed as many gears and steve and they dont whine, hes automatially f.o.s
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Nuff said.........
04-06-2003, 01:57 PM
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Re: Moser users or future Moser Buyers, advice inside </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by gator's 99TA:
<strong> forth, screw paying 1600 bucks+ for a ford product in my GM! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_images/icons/tongue.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I still don't understand why people won't use a good product just because its made by Ford. <img border="0" alt="[judgement]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_judge.gif" />
If Ford/Honda/Toyota/anyone made a T56 that could handle 2000 hp and it was a direct swap into an f-body (or Heaven forbid...a vette)....would you pass that up? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />
That really does suck about the Moseor rearends. $2500 and you have problems....come on..for that much money....you could have a LS1 382 block..... 3/4 of a Lunati stroker kit......half a full Vortech kit..... or have 1/3 of a C5R block!!!!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" />
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<strong> forth, screw paying 1600 bucks+ for a ford product in my GM! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_images/icons/tongue.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I still don't understand why people won't use a good product just because its made by Ford. <img border="0" alt="[judgement]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_judge.gif" />
If Ford/Honda/Toyota/anyone made a T56 that could handle 2000 hp and it was a direct swap into an f-body (or Heaven forbid...a vette)....would you pass that up? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />
That really does suck about the Moseor rearends. $2500 and you have problems....come on..for that much money....you could have a LS1 382 block..... 3/4 of a Lunati stroker kit......half a full Vortech kit..... or have 1/3 of a C5R block!!!!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" />
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Re: Moser users or future Moser Buyers, advice inside Well Im about to buy a Moser 12 bolt 3:73 from Speed Inc. I told Tom I want to buy it disassembled, and to have Speed Inc put it together. That will solve alot of problems.
Is it true its cheaper sent apart?
I was going to go with Strange but I heard
about how Moser was stronger. I neeed it
to be real strong when I put 600rwhp on it next
year. Thanks for the info guys.
Is it true its cheaper sent apart?
I was going to go with Strange but I heard
about how Moser was stronger. I neeed it
to be real strong when I put 600rwhp on it next
year. Thanks for the info guys.
04-06-2003, 03:01 PM
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Re: Moser users or future Moser Buyers, advice inside LINGENFELTER SS ....I noticed your supercharger.....it that the screw/roots/whipple like supercharger (Lingenfelter) or is that a Centrifugal (vortech kind....)? I can't remember right off the top of my head which one yours is.
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