Holding Out for 2014 Gen6 Camaro SS
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I do agree that the reason people buy a car like a camaro ss is for that v8 feel and sound. No doudt GN were wicked and i love the turbo 6 but not in a camaro or vette if they want to make a car like that do it with a different car. I think it would be cool to have a turbo 6 as an option though like in the 350 to 380hp range and 2 v8s first in the 450 to 480hp range the big one in the 550hp. With all this new tech why cant they make the v8s more efficent with direct injection or somthing. So yea pretty much a camaro isnt a camaro without a v8 in the line up if gm doesnt feel the same they should just kill it off again imo.
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The new Camaro should be about the size of the Cobalt, 2800lbs, V6 Turbo, 425hp, and cost about $25,000.00. GM needs to move forward first, and be the industry leader in design and thinking. The new Camaro is a joke and should be replaced by something that is unique and forward thinking.
I can`t believe that Chevy designers and engineers don`t see this, but I guess this is why they are struggling.
I can`t believe that Chevy designers and engineers don`t see this, but I guess this is why they are struggling.
2.) Good luck getting the car to cost $25,000 with a 400hp+ turbo 6. Take a look at what kind of power cars in the $20-30K range make...
Now not to swing on the nuts of the designers, but they are only working with what they have. GM doesn't currently have the money for a whole new platform like that, let alone a whole new (expensive) engine and drive train.
The future in car performance will be lightweight cars with highly efficient motors that use the latest technology to make power.
There is a reason you see people swapping in LSx's in every car now adays instead of the other way around.
Below is a picture of the VQ35 (Nissan 3.5L V6) next to an LS2. Do you see what Im saying now?
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I was just stirring the pot a little.
I do think that weight reduction will be the next factory performance goal, and direct injection will be a big player in the next few years.
That is a cool picture of the Nissan V6 and the LS motors, that Nissan motor looks like ****.
I do think that weight reduction will be the next factory performance goal, and direct injection will be a big player in the next few years.
That is a cool picture of the Nissan V6 and the LS motors, that Nissan motor looks like ****.
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The new Camaro should be about the size of the Cobalt, 2800lbs, V6 Turbo, 425hp, and cost about $25,000.00. GM needs to move forward first, and be the industry leader in design and thinking. The new Camaro is a joke and should be replaced by something that is unique and forward thinking.
I can`t believe that Chevy designers and engineers don`t see this, but I guess this is why they are struggling.
I typed the above stuff to ruffle some feathers and have a little fun, but after thinking about it some more , it makes sense.
The future in car performance will be lightweight cars with highly efficient motors that use the latest technology to make power.
I still love my F-body that has a nasty V8 under the hood; Nothing beats an American V8 powered car. For now anyway.
I can`t believe that Chevy designers and engineers don`t see this, but I guess this is why they are struggling.
I typed the above stuff to ruffle some feathers and have a little fun, but after thinking about it some more , it makes sense.
The future in car performance will be lightweight cars with highly efficient motors that use the latest technology to make power.
I still love my F-body that has a nasty V8 under the hood; Nothing beats an American V8 powered car. For now anyway.
Dodge is one of the only ones that comes to mind that had a car with a heritage, threw it out the window and still made a great seller out of it (Charger) Why butcher the new Camaro by trying something new and maybe hitting or maybe missing horribly? GM is keeping Buick solely for its sales in China(from what I can understand), why not try and make that unappealing brand something to want by offering a 2012 Buick Grand National? Then again, thats all my opinion. Sorry for the long *** post
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True. Look at the Challenger. That pig needs a diet bad. Especially since the 2010 Mustang will have similar hp and probably like 300-500 lbs less
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First thing they need to do with the camaro, is put a solid 12 bolt axle in it and ditch the POS IRS. That's #1, #2 they need to stop putting 14 computers in the car, ditch the drive by wire and all the other computrized crap, That alone will pull 200 lbs out of the car, and make it easy to work on. The use of alum or carbon body panels, also would be a good move.
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First thing they need to do with the camaro, is put a solid 12 bolt axle in it and ditch the POS IRS. That's #1, #2 they need to stop putting 14 computers in the car, ditch the drive by wire and all the other computrized crap, That alone will pull 200 lbs out of the car, and make it easy to work on. The use of alum or carbon body panels, also would be a good move.
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I forgot one other thing, brakes that will clear a 15 inch wheel front and rear. If the smaller diameter doesn't give the needed braking capability, put another piston in the caliper! The 21 inch wheels are fine, they leave us room for a 30 inch drag radial or a 29.5 slick, that's fine, wheel cutouts are perfect sized... they just need to put a brake on that will clear the average 15 inch drag rim. Hell put 2 small calipers on if that's what's needed to get the desired braking.
99Tara, I have a couple contacts at GM, and one thing that they have gotten alot of flack about IS THE IRS. People DON'T WANT IT. They had it on a gto and have it on the vette, this car, from what the GM contact I have told me... is what the public wants so they can go have fun, beat it up, etc, and not worry about it BREAKING. And the public, also wants to MOD it and make more power.
That's what his general consensus was, and that's coming from someone in GM racing... I think he has a pretty good handle on what the publie wants.
Cheaper price, a solid axle (12 bolt), and not so much in the computer department.. they want an available cloth seat stripper, with the biggest motor that GM can stuff in it.
Sure the lower end cars will always sell, but from the performance side, that's what the publie wants.
Look @ ford, they put the IRS in the 03 and 04 cobra only to dump it as soon as the new body style came out. Think about it... they wouldn't have tossed all that R&D if it was what people wanted.
99Tara, I have a couple contacts at GM, and one thing that they have gotten alot of flack about IS THE IRS. People DON'T WANT IT. They had it on a gto and have it on the vette, this car, from what the GM contact I have told me... is what the public wants so they can go have fun, beat it up, etc, and not worry about it BREAKING. And the public, also wants to MOD it and make more power.
That's what his general consensus was, and that's coming from someone in GM racing... I think he has a pretty good handle on what the publie wants.
Cheaper price, a solid axle (12 bolt), and not so much in the computer department.. they want an available cloth seat stripper, with the biggest motor that GM can stuff in it.
Sure the lower end cars will always sell, but from the performance side, that's what the publie wants.
Look @ ford, they put the IRS in the 03 and 04 cobra only to dump it as soon as the new body style came out. Think about it... they wouldn't have tossed all that R&D if it was what people wanted.
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I forgot one other thing, brakes that will clear a 15 inch wheel front and rear. If the smaller diameter doesn't give the needed braking capability, put another piston in the caliper! The 21 inch wheels are fine, they leave us room for a 30 inch drag radial or a 29.5 slick, that's fine, wheel cutouts are perfect sized... they just need to put a brake on that will clear the average 15 inch drag rim. Hell put 2 small calipers on if that's what's needed to get the desired braking.
The Camaro is now designed as a world class car, not a boring strait-line-only car. If you want to make it into a one trick pony go right ahead, but don't bitch at the engineers for making it good at performing more than just in a strait line.
99Tara, I have a couple contacts at GM, and one thing that they have gotten alot of flack about IS THE IRS. People DON'T WANT IT. They had it on a gto and have it on the vette, this car, from what the GM contact I have told me... is what the public wants so they can go have fun, beat it up, etc, and not worry about it BREAKING. And the public, also wants to MOD it and make more power.
Worry about breaking? Like the stock solid axles in the 4th gens? No thanks, give me a properly designed IRS any day of the week. So far its lasted with WAY more power than the 10 bolt ever has.
That's what his general consensus was, and that's coming from someone in GM racing... I think he has a pretty good handle on what the publie wants.
Look @ ford, they put the IRS in the 03 and 04 cobra only to dump it as soon as the new body style came out. Think about it... they wouldn't have tossed all that R&D if it was what people wanted.
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I forgot one other thing, brakes that will clear a 15 inch wheel front and rear. If the smaller diameter doesn't give the needed braking capability, put another piston in the caliper! The 21 inch wheels are fine, they leave us room for a 30 inch drag radial or a 29.5 slick, that's fine, wheel cutouts are perfect sized... they just need to put a brake on that will clear the average 15 inch drag rim. Hell put 2 small calipers on if that's what's needed to get the desired braking.
99Tara, I have a couple contacts at GM, and one thing that they have gotten alot of flack about IS THE IRS. People DON'T WANT IT. They had it on a gto and have it on the vette, this car, from what the GM contact I have told me... is what the public wants so they can go have fun, beat it up, etc, and not worry about it BREAKING. And the public, also wants to MOD it and make more power.
The zeta platform is designed from the get-go as a IRS platform. Changing it for one car in North America would have made no sense and it would not have helped get the car out any faster and it took long enough to come out. But if the guy in G.M. racing thinks it makes sense, maybe he should ask Scott Settlemire? He has a better feel of what the public wants I would think.
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Yeah not everybody drag races their car, and EVERYBODY who buys a new Camaro is going to appreciate the new IRS as a daily driver. I believe most of them are destined as daily drivers first, then drag cars etc second. From what I've heard the new SS handles great and is no longer the laughing stock of the world community when it comes to handling. Fourth gens weren't terrible at handling but they were nowhere near as crafty in slalom etc. A "track pack" would be a great addition to the 2011 camaro as an "option". Much like on the new stangs, and they do quite well performance wise with that option box ticked apparently. The GT500 was criticized for having a live axle instead of irs as well. Depends on what you want, but technology sells, and so does a well rounded vehicle imo.
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The eco boost v6 is coming to the mustang and likely at power levels higher than the new 5.0 is making. Most of you are stuck living in the past, V8s are not the way of the future. Let us also not forget that the fastest f-body ever made until the slp firehawk was in fact a turbo 1989 V6 Trans Am. It took GM 13+ years to make a V8 powered car run the same speed as an engine basically unchanged from 1986.
I'll take my turbo V6 over almost any V8 powered Trans Am because its faster and in most cases BY FAR. Hell theres 4 cylinders GM makes now that have comparable numbers to the LS1 in HP and torque. Some of my friends with cobalts are making close to 400whp/420ish tq with little more than exhausts and tunes. The only thing a V8 has that's desirable anymore is sound.
Dont get me wrong theres almost nothing I want more than a 2010 Camaro SS but theres no way in hell it needs to be 3800lbs
I'll take my turbo V6 over almost any V8 powered Trans Am because its faster and in most cases BY FAR. Hell theres 4 cylinders GM makes now that have comparable numbers to the LS1 in HP and torque. Some of my friends with cobalts are making close to 400whp/420ish tq with little more than exhausts and tunes. The only thing a V8 has that's desirable anymore is sound.
Dont get me wrong theres almost nothing I want more than a 2010 Camaro SS but theres no way in hell it needs to be 3800lbs
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The eco boost v6 is coming to the mustang and likely at power levels higher than the new 5.0 is making. Most of you are stuck living in the past, V8s are not the way of the future. Let us also not forget that the fastest f-body ever made until the slp firehawk was in fact a turbo 1989 V6 Trans Am. It took GM 13+ years to make a V8 powered car run the same speed as an engine basically unchanged from 1986.
I'll take my turbo V6 over almost any V8 powered Trans Am because its faster and in most cases BY FAR. Hell theres 4 cylinders GM makes now that have comparable numbers to the LS1 in HP and torque. Some of my friends with cobalts are making close to 400whp/420ish tq with little more than exhausts and tunes. The only thing a V8 has that's desirable anymore is sound.
Dont get me wrong theres almost nothing I want more than a 2010 Camaro SS but theres no way in hell it needs to be 3800lbs
I'll take my turbo V6 over almost any V8 powered Trans Am because its faster and in most cases BY FAR. Hell theres 4 cylinders GM makes now that have comparable numbers to the LS1 in HP and torque. Some of my friends with cobalts are making close to 400whp/420ish tq with little more than exhausts and tunes. The only thing a V8 has that's desirable anymore is sound.
Dont get me wrong theres almost nothing I want more than a 2010 Camaro SS but theres no way in hell it needs to be 3800lbs
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A Camaro made in 2010 should not weigh 3800lbs, maybe in 1980 I could see it. I'd rather see a V6 Turbo Camaro, than no Camaro at all, which is the reality if its V8 only. As long as its packing a punch I dont see what the problem is. Besides even the V6 model thats in there now outpowers everything made from about 1975-1992. If your going to talk about heritage, I don't think theres much to say for about half the cars history. I don't care how great it sounds a Carbed 350 cranking out 200hp is pathetic in any era.