MrFrossty

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I like this thread, lots of good information on fair, comparison debate.

Camaro Z

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Here is another view of that 1/8th mile race. Pretty stout time for the mustang, especially for an automatic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTL9psDWKjU

ss1129

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LOL they claim 3/10ths at the 1/8 mile alone on that video. I like how they make it appear its going to beat the Camaro by seconds at the 1/4.

MrFrossty

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The Mustang times are dead on and seems legit. It almost identically matches my 01 SS I had. But the Camaro's times are off. That is a HUGE difference in trap speed. MAYBE it's because it is an L99 but I would think the times between it and the LS3 would be similar due to the A6 and only a 2x hp difference.

sectari

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no, no, it was the guy in the airplane in the second race who was really asleep at the light. But I think he ended up winning anyway in the end.

726.0chevelle

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I think the dohc 5.0 might edge the ls3 out in the quarter but its gonna be a drivers race. However for 95+% of mustang owners are going to be limited to intake exhaust and gears however its going to be hard for the average mustang owner to do a cam swap not only the cost of 4 compared to 1 but the added cost of cam phasers and the cost of doing the job is going to be outa reach for most. Then on top of that the motor comes with 11:1 not very blower friendly and if your gonna do a motor build for fi the skies the limit for both cars. I am not a mustang hater by no means i really like the new stangs I am just trying to call it as it is i like what they are doing but just wish it were more cubic inches!

enginjoe

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Man, I wouldn't really want to crack one of these open to change all 4 cams and get just a few more horsepower. The 5.0 is probably an intake, exhaust and tune away from being almost maxed out N/A anyway. I think it will draw many who don't want to open up their engine, but still be able to make decent power. I think where it will shine is as a FI motor (even with the high compression) since it already has forged rods and crank. Slap a blower on there, keep the boost reasonable, and you'll have a pretty decent ride. We'll have to see how well it holds up to this. We know the LS3 takes to boost very well and holds together.

Bitemark46

Wow, a lot of keyboard racing in here. Why is everyone so quick to shoot it down? You guys ought to be happy. Competition is good for both. IMO I bet it can make over 500rwhp n/a.

And since we're keyboard racing, here is a 4.6 based (final c.i was limited to a class 289) n/a built mod motor. It won Pure Street in 08'. So add another 13 cubes to the mix and the question should be why won't it make 500rwhp.

enginjoe

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I'm sure a built 5.0 could get to 500rwhp. Anyone disagree?

ss1129

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Well seeing as VVT doesnt add to max hp I dont know, you tell me.



EDIT: Oh I thought he said 550hp na. Yeah I think 500 is possible. Expensive but possible.

rayhawk

It took a nearly 9000 rpm 4.6 to make 501 hp, and I don't think that is exactly a daily driver combo. With enough rpm, you can make hp but you start to make bigger and bigger compromises to do it.

x3d187

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The new 5.0 looks pretty solid. We'll just have to wait and see when it comes out how it really is.

Darker Shadow

So while everyone is talking about which is faster or better I want to chime in with a different point not thought much about (only reason I remember it is from my 3000GT searching before I found my Flaming Chicken). Saw the new 5.0 and noticed it was a DOHC motor and the first thought through my mind is: I wonder if you need to change that timing chain every 30000 miles like the Mitsu 3000GT VR4? Why does it need to be changed on the 3000GT? Because it stretches and if it ever slips... you'll be WISHING you just bounced an LS1 off the rev limiter. No one has said anything about that with this 5.0... and with a 7K red line, might be something worth knowing! I don't see it being easy or cheap to change them if they do need changing often!

rayhawk

I'm pretty sure Ford uses chain drives for the OHC motors, so I don't think it would be an issue.

Bitemark46

I didn't say a streetable motor. I'm just saying it can be done. Its a small displacement motor. Only way to make power is with rpms.



I launch at 7k and shift at 7100. Stock valvetrain since 98'. No problems with timing chains. In the mod motor world thats one part Ford got right. lol.

-Mark

marc97taws6

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This competition will push Chevy forward to fix the problems with the current Camaro and potentially add more power. The question is when though? To add more power to the Camaro, Chevy would need to add more power to the flagship Corvette

enginjoe

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I vote less weight and more power!!!!

StreetLethal

While the new 5.0 looks like a nice motor, I don't feel that Ford has instantly gained some type of victory over GM with it. The bottom line is that the Mustang has been getting overpowered horribly by GM pony cars since 1993. It took Ford 13 years to put out a Mustang that is faster than an ls1 car. To think that a 2010 Mustang GT still can't trap what a 98 Z28 could, means that if anything, Ford owes it's customers a better car. That's coming from a Mustang owner. The LS3 still has far more potential, but I must admit that the 5.0 looks strong in stock form.

davep_96

I read somewhere, can remember what website it was from, but it was a spec sheet for the 2011 GT. On it the curb weight for the GT Coupe was 38xx pounds with a manual tranny, and the Vert weighed even more. Not sure if these are the real numbers or not.

Also remember hearing a while ago that the 2010 GT didnt meet some new requirements and that the 2011 Gt would have to bulk up to meet whatever safety requirements, and that the Camaro already met these requirements.

MannyO

Ok so the Motortrend Magazine is claiming that the 2011 Mustang 5.0 is the winner of the 2010 comp. But whats funny is that they posted these numbers in previous tests of the SS Camaro vs Shelby GT500 shootout. That the SS ran the quarter in 12.9 and the GT500 in 12.8. Now they are claiming that the new 2011 Mustang GT 5.0 outperforms both the SS and their 50k Shelby. HMMMMMM!!! That doesn't seem right. I did some digging and these are some results i found. At the end i know it comes down to who is driving the car but it just amazes me how they can't keep their stuff straight.

Motor Trend Results for 2011 mustang 5.0
12.7 1/4 mile time

Motor Trend Results for 2010 Camaro SS
12.9 and 13.0 1/4 mile time

Car and Driver Results for 2011 mustang 5.0
Zero to 60 mph: 4.6 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 11.0 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 19.8 sec
Street start, 5–60 mph: 5.1 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 13.2 sec @ 109 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 146 mph

Car and Driver Results for 2010 Camaro SS
C/D TEST RESULTS:
Zero to 60 mph: 4.8 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 13.0 sec @ 111 mph
Braking, 70–0 mph: 161 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.92 g