can someone please get in the 10s with a stock motor....
08-27-2010, 11:17 AM
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The 2010 mustang GT with the 4.6 was a joke but now, with a 5.0L (what, only .4L more) all of a sudden the mustang GT actually means something?
10's were done with a fully gutted car plus nitrous. the fact of that matter is that the 5.0 is geared better, weighs 200lbs. less and is built SPECIFICALLY for the 1/4. The 5th gen, on the other hand, wasn't. No excuses, just facts.
At this point ford is more tailored towards producing a performer while the camaro is more of a cruiser, unfortunately.
A stock LS3 has been, repeatedly, been tested to make more than enough power to get a car weighing like a 5.0 into the 10's... but weight and gearing (PLUS TM) tuned into these cars really hold it back, especially the auto's. These cars launch SOFT in stock trim with a stock trans calibration and a stall is definitely needed to get it to 60ft. decent enough to go anywhere.
I was at camaro5fest and it was astonishing how incredible shitty the stock 5th gens auto's launch. 60ft's were just not there. Now compare that to the 5.0 and the way that car leaves IS the reason it can hit a 11.6 with bolt-on's.
08-27-2010, 07:15 PM
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No? Then explain the hoorah over the 5.0 coyote motor?
The 2010 mustang GT with the 4.6 was a joke but now, with a 5.0L (what, only .4L more) all of a sudden the mustang GT actually means something?
with around 100 MORE rwhp stock, yes. but again, its only making 360 from the factory.
10's were done with a fully gutted car plus nitrous. the fact of that matter is that the 5.0 is geared better, weighs 200lbs. less and is built SPECIFICALLY for the 1/4. The 5th gen, on the other hand, wasn't. No excuses, just facts.
did you read the thread? 10's ALL MOTOR, NO NITROUS. how is that hard to comprehend?
At this point ford is more tailored towards producing a performer while the camaro is more of a cruiser, unfortunately.
A stock LS3 has been, repeatedly, been tested to make more than enough power to get a car weighing like a 5.0 into the 10's... but weight and gearing (PLUS TM) tuned into these cars really hold it back, especially the auto's. These cars launch SOFT in stock trim with a stock trans calibration and a stall is definitely needed to get it to 60ft. decent enough to go anywhere.
I was at camaro5fest and it was astonishing how incredible shitty the stock 5th gens auto's launch. 60ft's were just not there. Now compare that to the 5.0 and the way that car leaves IS the reason it can hit a 11.6 with bolt-on's.
so you're saying that the mustangs better? and its 10.9 with boltons, and thats in a stick. best auto bolt on time is 11.5 full weight, but that could change tomorrow.
The 2010 mustang GT with the 4.6 was a joke but now, with a 5.0L (what, only .4L more) all of a sudden the mustang GT actually means something?
with around 100 MORE rwhp stock, yes. but again, its only making 360 from the factory.
10's were done with a fully gutted car plus nitrous. the fact of that matter is that the 5.0 is geared better, weighs 200lbs. less and is built SPECIFICALLY for the 1/4. The 5th gen, on the other hand, wasn't. No excuses, just facts.
did you read the thread? 10's ALL MOTOR, NO NITROUS. how is that hard to comprehend?
At this point ford is more tailored towards producing a performer while the camaro is more of a cruiser, unfortunately.
A stock LS3 has been, repeatedly, been tested to make more than enough power to get a car weighing like a 5.0 into the 10's... but weight and gearing (PLUS TM) tuned into these cars really hold it back, especially the auto's. These cars launch SOFT in stock trim with a stock trans calibration and a stall is definitely needed to get it to 60ft. decent enough to go anywhere.
I was at camaro5fest and it was astonishing how incredible shitty the stock 5th gens auto's launch. 60ft's were just not there. Now compare that to the 5.0 and the way that car leaves IS the reason it can hit a 11.6 with bolt-on's.
so you're saying that the mustangs better? and its 10.9 with boltons, and thats in a stick. best auto bolt on time is 11.5 full weight, but that could change tomorrow.
08-27-2010, 11:58 PM
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If you wanted to be fast, should have bought a mustang...
I got my camaro because its a nice comfortable car, that gets peoples attention, has 20s, and came with a good stereo, HUD, and has a well established motor and transmission.
I got my camaro because its a nice comfortable car, that gets peoples attention, has 20s, and came with a good stereo, HUD, and has a well established motor and transmission.
08-28-2010, 04:45 PM
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The only thing i see is SHOP built cars, built for the strip only. Seems to be a little hyped, until we see average cars built by average joes then we will seewhat the car can do. Any car done right, like how the 2011 mustangs have been, will do the same. A couple of drawbacks i think the camaros have are the 20's, being heavy, and IRS. The first fast 2011 mustangs had bigs and skinnys and with drag suspension, meaning the car was gonna run quick. I have yet to see a drag camaro, nothing but a bunch dyno queens, something that the 5.0's will NEVER be. Plain and simple the mustang as a car is superior to the camaro, but the engine in the camaro is superior to the mustangs.
Maybe its time for someone to do a well setup H/C camaro with a stalled AUTO on slicks. The 1.2 liter advantage should easily outpace any numbers put out by the mustang.
Maybe its time for someone to do a well setup H/C camaro with a stalled AUTO on slicks. The 1.2 liter advantage should easily outpace any numbers put out by the mustang.
08-29-2010, 11:20 PM
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I said:
"The 2010 mustang GT with the 4.6 was a joke but now, with a 5.0L (what, only .4L more) all of a sudden the mustang GT actually means something?"
You said:
"with around 100 MORE rwhp stock, yes. but again, its only making 360 from the factory."
Point is,
You said:
"sure, the ls3 is a strong engine, but last time i checked the engine doesnt make the car, point in case? 2010 camaro VS 2011 mustang."
Which you answered with:
"with around 100 MORE rwhp stock, yes."
Clear?
"The 2010 mustang GT with the 4.6 was a joke but now, with a 5.0L (what, only .4L more) all of a sudden the mustang GT actually means something?"
You said:
"with around 100 MORE rwhp stock, yes. but again, its only making 360 from the factory."
Point is,
You said:
"sure, the ls3 is a strong engine, but last time i checked the engine doesnt make the car, point in case? 2010 camaro VS 2011 mustang."
Which you answered with:
"with around 100 MORE rwhp stock, yes."
Clear?
08-30-2010, 03:53 AM
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well it is def a good point that the new 5.0 was clearly built more towards being a performer while the camaro was more toward a cruiser/performer BUT the thing is the camaro has ALWAYS been on top of mustang when it came to putting down numbers except for 1983... other than that camaro for as long as its been in production stock for stock has been on top. it does suck that now all of a sudden this one car is out and laying down some good numbers (good job ford) but seriouslythere has to be someoe who can do a good heads cam setup cut out some of that USELESS weight (wheels, spare ****, full exhaust...etc) and run in the 10s on stock suspension...the power to weight combo after doing that should easily get these into the 10s with a good driver... say 3600lbs and 550RWHP which is a realistic figure for loosing weight and a good H/C/I/E number...mod for mod these cars should always be on top
08-30-2010, 10:33 AM
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Nobody is arguing that the mustang ISN'T a "great platform" but without the 5.0 coyote motor, it was just another, typical GT. Underpowered. So, in fact the motor did make the car. Furthermore, it goes without question that the 200lbs weight advantage (plus gearing) the 5.0 has is going to make it solid track car but without that 7k rpm range and MORE than 412BHP (without question it is making just as much as the LS3 or more) the GT wouldn't be the subject of so many threads. It is what it is, facts are facts.
08-30-2010, 10:46 AM
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well it is def a good point that the new 5.0 was clearly built more towards being a performer while the camaro was more toward a cruiser/performer BUT the thing is the camaro has ALWAYS been on top of mustang when it came to putting down numbers except for 1983... other than that camaro for as long as its been in production stock for stock has been on top. it does suck that now all of a sudden this one car is out and laying down some good numbers (good job ford) but seriouslythere has to be someoe who can do a good heads cam setup cut out some of that USELESS weight (wheels, spare ****, full exhaust...etc) and run in the 10s on stock suspension...the power to weight combo after doing that should easily get these into the 10s with a good driver... say 3600lbs and 550RWHP which is a realistic figure for loosing weight and a good H/C/I/E number...mod for mod these cars should always be on top
Does anyone know the exact weight of the EVO 5.0 when they did the 10 sec. run?
