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The 144 ft is still bogus if you read the article........LE1 was on sticky BFG R1's not a standard equipment tire like all the numbers for the 5th Gen have been up to now. Sorry the truth got in the way.

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Try again the 1SS starts at 30,950 (GM website) not 35,900 you quoted........Gotcha

ls1zfast

+1 Tires are huge...

Jenson

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Since when did every LS1 M6 run 12.9xx stock? Im under the impression only the 01-02's did that and previous years needed the LS6 intake to reach 12's. IMO, price wise, the 2010 SS should be compared to the 4th Gen Z28 since thats what it replaced.

I love them both, one is more of a hardcore car while the new one is more refined for the masses. IMO every new car is to heavy

Crimsonnaire

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Pardon me if I misinterpreted the conversation, but I see the whole discussion as two basic parts: One argument for whether the 2010 SS surpasses the 98-02 SS in performance, and another argument for whether the improvment difference is reasonable for the circumstances (i.e. time, cost, design, etc.). I would imagine that the 2010 Camaro does perform higher/better than the previous model, since that's the point in building a next generation: to surpass the previous. So it had better outperform the last Camaro, and we can at least be relieved that it does (or most probably does for doubters). The real question--and only question that should be asked and properly addressed is whether the levels of improvements are acceptable for the given circumstances.

I picked the WS6 for its styling and power, but because I'm just a casual driver, the styling matters more to me than the performance. However, I'm also happy with what it can do on the track because, although I'm a casual driver, I like to know that I am able to race it competitively if the rare occasion should ever rise. Do I like the styling of the 2010 SS? Certainly! Do I like it better than the 98-02 WS6? Probably, but not by much because I recently got into cars and wasn't aware of the last F-bodies. However, one thing that I appreciate about the new camaro is that the name has been given back its masculant look that it started with. So I would buy the 2010 Camaro for a casual driver because of its styling and formidable performance capabilities, but if I wanted it hardcore, I'd just get a practically brand new C6 Z06 for less than the floor price of a new 2010 SS on eBay.

darrensls1

Everyone wants the 2SS and that's what the dealers are buying for thier stock. $35,900 is actually not a bad price considering many people have all ready bought 2SS Camaros for over 38K.

Since there currently is no Z28 I'll consider the 1SS todays version. $30,950 you say. What did they go for back in 2002?


http://www.thecarconnection.com/sele...et_camaro_2002

$22,830 for a Z28 coupe vs todays 1SS $30,950. The V6 Camaros in 2002 were under 19K and the 2010 V6 Camaro is well over 20K with some close to 30K.

So anyway you slice it the cost of owning a Camaro has gone way up. Which was expected due to inflation. But the person I was originally quoting was actually trying to insinuate that a 2010 Camaro costs less then a 2002 Camaro which is rediculous.

Gotcha

camaro98z28

Great Post. I'd take a 5th gen over a 4th gen any day. I will have one or the other again some day.

camaro98z28

My God can this be so ignorant? The 5th Gen beats the 4th Gen. There is nothing more to discuss. So what. It's not like it matters really. I don't know why people are so pissy.. Jealously maybe! Damn

LS1Transhed

In my case... I like how the 2010 Camaro looks, I just dont think it looks better than the 98-02 Trans Am that I already own. I like its engine specs, but the weight of the car takes away from what I would expect out of the cars performance. So the overall performance gap between the 4th gens and the 5th gens isnt enough for me to sit here and be in shock and awe. But they are new cars and if they can pull a 12.5-12.7 bone stock, then ill be impressed (performance wise). I do think looks play a huge role in ppl desires to own this car tho.

Wouldnt this be similar to comparing 98-02 LS1 F-Bodies vs the 05/06 LS2 GTO? In that case the GTO had better specs than the F-Bodies, but its weight was more so it ended up not having as much of an advantage as it could have had with weighing the same as the F-bodies.

bay_Z

+1

I still love the LS1 motor but I never did care for that catfish look. I love the new Camaros even though I don't currently own one. Maybe I'll trade in the Z for one.

jmilz28

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Guys, this is simple, there's not much argument here if you have a brain - it's only about priorities. It may be entertaining to argue, but in the proper perspective, there is no comparison - only budget and priorities put into use.

If your main concerns are budget and raw performance and you don't care about the redneck stigma and low build quality, the 4th gen is impossible to beat.

If you want a real nice car with amazing quality, stunning looks (to most in person) that may become classic, and similar power to weight, and have a 2010 budget (not a 1998 budget) - the 5th gen owns. It's simply a different class of car to own and drive, not to mention half the engine isn't underneath the cowl. If you are a new car person, the 5th gen cannot be touched in bang for the buck, maybe not at all. These cars run what the 01-02 SSs/WS6s ran stock for stock even though they weigh 600+ lbs more. They are also worlds better in quality, not even close.

If you are ok with used cars, the 4th gen cannot be touched in bang for the buck. It's got tons of quality and ergo issues but with moderate money, will perform miracles by the numbers. It also can be retrofitted easily with the 5th gen motors, and GM should be commended for that.

This is very close to apples and oranges. It's simply a matter of what your budget and priorities are. Case close.