ryonyanko

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do tell the story

Wnts2Go10O

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you may not know how capitalism works...


capitalism means as long as the market will bear the price, they will continue to sell them at that price. when people stop buying them, the price goes down.

supernova1972

Where is your source to back this up? Let me tell you how this would work. One customer would call GM and say hey they are marking it up, if GM is slow that day at the reception office, maybe someone would call the dealership and say "hey you had a price complaint", then the dealer would say "Really? Hey we are sold out of Camaros, send us more."

GM cant do anything about what dealers sell cars at. Its MSRP not PRICE OF CAR. Do you think any supplier tells a retailer who buys their product what to sell it at? Dealers get the car at their price, the invoice, and try to make as much money as they can on it. CAPITALISM. Plain and simple. My father and I own a HVAC/plumbing company, when I buy an AC from the supplier I can sell it at whatever I want for whatever profit I can get.

Fact is dealerships with Camaros dont really have to compete right now because there isnt a huge supply compared to demand. They sell as fast as they get them. If they can make more money off of it, more power to them. Just dont buy it and dont come here to say its unfair.

rooster99ss

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i know how capitalism works, and i also know that irresponsible people can abuse it. i'm not saying it should be regulated, i'm just saying people should use it responsibly, or it's going to have to be taken away. it's really plain and simple when you think about it

Phil99vette

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Gm has a complaint line that you can use for situtations like this, since the govt has become a part of the company they have changed the business practices.
(800) 468-7825 (800 GM Truck)

R W B

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If its totally legal to for a business to mark up products from the supplier then why did so many gas stations get in trouble for price gouging a few years ago when a few hurricanes hit the gulf coast?

Ask to see the title and registration of the car to see if it really has been titled before to someone.

rufretic

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I don't get why people are making such a big deal about this ****, it's simple supply and demand and I personally don't see anything wrong with it. If your that stupid to be "tricked" into buying a car for more than what the next dealer has down the street then that sucks for you. People should know what a car they are buying should go for. The dealer isn't trying to trick anyone, they know that some people have enough money that they don't care about paying the extra to get something hard to find and they don't want to wait. I don't blame the dealer for trying to make the most they can on the car. Now if the dealer down the street has the same car for sticker price, no harm done, the dealer with the high price won't sell his unless some dumb *** comes along and just buys it without looking into it. It's not the dealers fault there are rich and/or stupid people out there willing to pay what they ask. If no one buys it then the price will come down, it's pretty simple. The only people I see having a problem with it are people that want one, can't find one for sticker and are not rich. Get used to it! I'm not rich and can't have a lot of things I want, that's life, deal with it.

AxisOfOil

because Gasoline is considered a lifeline product, and is regulated by several united states agencies.

Camaros, however, are not necessary for the smooth running operation of the country... and as such, are not stringently regulated the same way gas... water... electricity... etc are.

Wnts2Go10O

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not really.. until people stop buying the cars at that price its going to be that price. its only irresponsible for the people that buy it who cant afford it. theres no need to sick the nanny company/state after them. if you dont want to pay that price, shop around or dont buy one; not bitch about it on the internet.

Awake455

Well now there's a wonderful idea. Take away capitalism. Fix the price, mandating nobody can charge more than so much for a given item. That works wonders every time it's tried. The Soviet Union had a fixed price for bread, vegetables, and other food. The grocery stores had next to nothing on their shelves. California had great success with setting mandated prices with energy a few years back as well. Rolling blackouts and rationing electricity if I do recall.

I'm sorry there is a dealer out there who charges this price because some uninformed (or gotta have it now type with more dollars than sense) ignorant person will pay it. Government involvement is the worst thing possible. Capitalism will punish the dealers that do this on a regular basis. They will see their demand drop until their prices are back inline with the market. May not happen tomorrow though. Patience, patience.

Kevano26

went to a local dealer today and they had a cyber gray 2SS/RS. it was nice but the salesmen told me they were asking 53k. i laughed my *** off, got in my car and left. some jackass will pay it though because it's so popular of a car right now.

2000_SS

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yeah there's not much you can do. Complaining only goes so far any more because EVERYONE bitches and sues over the littlest things. Very rarely does anything ever actually happen. For every overpriced vehicle, there's a balding 53-year-old retired guy willing to pay twice what they're asking. THAT, is the cold hard truth and stealerships know it. Every once in a great while the car doesn't sell and they have to eat it, but they make money hand over fist on everything else so it really doesn't matter.

1sick'98WS6

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This thread makes me laugh, what is so wrong with capitalism people?

rooster99ss

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LOL! there's nothing wrong with capitalism! i'm honestly all for it. i think you guys are missing my point. i'm simply stating that greedy individuals are ruining it for everybody. the same greedy individuals like the ones that work at the power companies that caused the rolling blackouts you are talking about. there's a bunch of people at Enron that were in deep **** over that. That wasn't caused by mandated prices

nothing at all, sir.

rooster99ss

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this type of thinking is really, really sad

ChocoTaco369

How is a dealer "taking advantage" of anyone? If you can't afford it, DON'T BUY IT. Those people that CAN buy it aren't getting taken advantage of either because they CAN afford it. It's not "injustice". It's reality. If you're not willing to pay the price, then you have to wait for the prices of the cars to regulate. If you're too impatient to wait and you're still whining about the price, then that makes you nothing but a whiny brat. Boo hoo, I want everything for myself at the price I want to pay because I'm all that matters. That is the EXACT problem with this country. Every kid nowadays thinks they're entitled to exactly what they want WHEN they want it. We're historically at the worst point in America's existence financially, and do you know why? Because this sense of entitlement kids have are voting in socialist politicians that hang a carrot of wealth distribution in front of the eyes of people that have no skills, yet want everything for themselves when they want it and they don't want to pay for it. Yet, things keep getting worse. Do you know why? Because when you rob from the rich to give to the useless, you're stealing money from the people that EMPLOY EVERYONE. Your thought process is exactly what is destroying the economy and the American dream.

Grow up. If you're not willing to pay the price, wait it out. If you're too impatient to wait it out and you're still not willing to pay the price, go cry in the corner somewhere. I'm so tired of this country's youth and their lack of work ethic and reality. All everyone does is bitch, bitch, bitch.
No, it's your thought process that is really sad. If you're too stupid to know you're overpaying, then you deserve to get taken advantage of. It's Darwinism. If you're too much of an idiot to make it through the day without getting scammed, you deserve to die homeless in a gutter somewhere so your genes don't pollute the genepool and further weaken society. Instead, we have the lowest common denominators of society with the most kids, breeding more and more idiots. These people are born suckers and deserve exactly what they get, and that's the cold, hard reality of the world we live in. It's not all flowers and sunshine, and it's not supposed to be. Keeping it real keeps you smart and it keeps people educated and productive.

Most people that can drop $40,000 on a car aren't idiots. If they're overpaying for the car, they most likely know they're overpaying and they don't have a problem with it. The dealers are entitled to make as much money as they want, too. If no one buys the car, then they'll drop the prices. If people are buying it with a high markup, then they deserve to get as much money as they can for it.

rooster99ss

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so you don't believe that it's immoral to take advantage of someone that doesn't know any better? that's what i'm pointing out. it's people like you that are turning this country inside out and sending the economy in the *******. i agree to an extent, people really should do their research before they make a large purchase. they should do that, because there are bastards out there like you that are going to try to take advantage of them.

honestly, i agree 100% with this part of your rant

ChocoTaco369

No, I don't agree that it's immoral to take advantage of someone. The reason why is if you're being taken advantage of, it's because of two reasons:

1.) You don't know it because you didn't do any research
2.) You don't care and are okay with it

If you have a lot of money to burn, then chances are you don't care what price you're paying for the new Camaro. That is the case for the people that own the cars for the most part right now - they are big enthusiasts and are okay with overpaying. They know if they wait, they could probably get a better deal, but they want it now and are willing to pay more to have it right now. And that's just fine. That's what separates those that want it and worked hard for it from just the average Joe's that will pick it up later when everyone and your mother has one (*cough* Mustang *cough*).

If you're honestly getting taken advantage of when buying a car, you're an idiot. Seriously. Buying a car shouldn't be a last second decision. It's something you should research for weeks. Shop around. Hell, use Autotrader. Read the papers. Use KelleyBlueBook.com. If you go in paying $45,000 for a $35,000 car and you don't know it, you DESERVE to be ripped off. It's common sense - check what the MSRP's are. You CAN'T plead ignorance on this one without being labeled a ripoff, and honestly, if people are this stupid and have this much money to burn, they DESERVE to lose every penny of the difference. Businesses are allowed to exploit these idiots, and I'm all for exploiting these idiots. Hopefully, it'll lead to them breeding less idiots like themselves.

It's not the point of business to take the moral high ground. It's solely up to the market to regulate prices. If businesses are jacking up prices and no one buys the product, they'll be forced to lower the prices. That's the way it works and that's the way it should work. Think about LCD and plasma TV's - when they first came out, they were almost impossibly expensive. $8,000 for a 40 inch TV? Now, you can get them for under $1,000. Everything's expensive at first, and a new niche market car should be no different. It'll be expensive for the first few years, just like the GT500. Just like the C6 ZO6. Just like the GT-R. The prices will regulate over time, and if you can't afford it right away, you have to wait. That's the way every new product works. These cars aren't family sedans where there are literally 100 other models that look exactly the same. This is an extremely unique car. There is nothing else quite like it, so you have to deal with all the negatives that come with that uniqueness.

deelong4002

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Ha Ha it's used. It should be at least 25% cheaper. Pretty stupid on their part actually cause most idiots would only look at it as a used car, and not realize that it's not really used, just moved around so they can sell it for more. If you ask me, this is the worst tactic i have ever heard for overpricing a new car.

z-ya

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It's 10g more because of the expert 100mi breakin that was performed!!!!