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Old 01-20-2006 | 03:51 PM
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Given the weight of the CTS-V, i'd say it's fairly safe to assume the new Camaro would stay under 3600lbs. Though perhaps not much. That does however, give it a distinct advantage vs. it's competitors.
Old 01-20-2006 | 09:18 PM
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GM Canada lists the CTS-V at 3850 lbs and the CTS 3.6 at 3694 lbs. Whats with the different #'s between Canada and the U.S.?

Not only do our cars cost more, they're fat bastards too.
Old 01-23-2006 | 02:57 PM
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I'd like to see it come in around 3450.

GTO weighs 3725, CTS-V is 3850.
Keep in mind both of those cars have a bunch of heavy equipment not needed in Camaro.

My '01 Z28 was 3567lbs stock, so I'm fine with the 5th Gen weighing 3600.
But of course, lighter is always gooder.
Old 01-23-2006 | 03:37 PM
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as long as they keep the options as options, seat heaters and navi systems and all that other **** dont belong in there and if you want them you should have to order them, they should make most of the camaro's with leather and nice interior stuff just to make it feel pretty comfortable, hell ever get rid of the power seats and **** like that. Im guessing though, considering GM loves to disappoint people, they'll figure a way to make it 4K lbs, but hopefully im wrong
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Anything under 3500 is a pipe dream, sorry.. I would expect between 3600-3800
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It is called barndoor engineering, if it does not deal with the suspension, engine, running gear, et al, throw it away! I want roll up windows, manual locks, power nothing, and an LS7!
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Originally Posted by WECIV
It is called barndoor engineering, if it does not deal with the suspension, engine, running gear, et al, throw it away! I want roll up windows, manual locks, power nothing, and an LS7!
I totally agree!!!
Old 01-24-2006 | 10:31 AM
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It is called barndoor engineering, if it does not deal with the suspension, engine, running gear, et al, throw it away! I want roll up windows, manual locks, power nothing, and an LS7!
I too agree.

Unfortunatly, GM will not build a Camaro like this.

Look at the gen1 Viper. After a few years, the "hardcore" people had already bought thier Vipers, and sales started to drop. Then the people who wanted the Viper as a "status symbol", were crying about the "lack of convenience". DC had to give them all the supposed "goodies" that, to me at least, are a waste on money an weight.
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Originally Posted by WECIV
It is called barndoor engineering, if it does not deal with the suspension, engine, running gear, et al, throw it away! I want roll up windows, manual locks, power nothing, and an LS7!
Thats just what GM needs to do, make another car that is undesireable to the masses just so a small group of enthusiasts will be happy. It would just be another suicide for the camaro if it does not appeal to a broad spectrum, esp. women. If you want a drag car/road warrior have some creativity and build your own, dont rely on a brand new vehicle with a factory warranty and govt. regulations to meet your needs. I'll take 400+ HP, leather seats, power everything, and a cold *** ac system
Old 01-24-2006 | 05:50 PM
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I'll guess the new camaro to be 3500 lbs.
Old 01-24-2006 | 11:54 PM
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"Thats just what GM needs to do, make another car that is undesireable to the masses just so a small group of enthusiasts will be happy. It would just be another suicide for the camaro if it does not appeal to a broad spectrum, esp. women. If you want a drag car/road warrior have some creativity and build your own, dont rely on a brand new vehicle with a factory warranty and govt. regulations to meet your needs. I'll take 400+ HP, leather seats, power everything, and a cold *** ac system"

I meant you should be able to option one in this manner, not make them all like this. I agree that most of these Maros will not be as race driven as I described because most of the nation wants a girly car, such as you described. I just want an option box.
Old 01-25-2006 | 12:04 AM
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Well, first off, from everything I've heard the Camaro Concept is nowhere near production ready. So no one can really talk very much in specifics about it. Secondly, cars in general just weigh a lot now. Yeah, a lot of that comes from customers' expectations regarding comfort, convenience, and refinement. But a lot of it is just brought on by ever-increasing safety regs.

Yeah, Chevy could make a Camaro that weighs 3100 lbs. But it would incorporate Corvette-like technology and a Corvette price tag -- not the stuff a true Camaro is made of. Bottom line is that today's cars handle better, accelerate better, and stop better than those of the past -- despite being saddled with more weight than ever.

I can almost guarantee that however Chevy decides to build the Camaro, it'll be a blast to drive. And I really do sense that those at Chevy have learned their lessons from the last generation of F-body.

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And I really do sense that those at Chevy have learned their lessons from the last generation of F-body.
What lessons would those be?
Old 01-25-2006 | 11:33 AM
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Just a reminder how terribly expensive it is to lighten a car and still have to work as well as it would with the products they would normally use... It takes refinement like the new Z06. I dont know how all the new weight reduciton went into the new vette to keep it at the $65k price, but dammit it happened, and its just AWESOME.

I agree it would be nice to have a lighter car, but guys they'll charge more... Forget it... Just be thankful they're considering it again!
Old 01-28-2006 | 09:20 AM
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if it comes it at 3600 or slightly more moderately optioned ill be satisfied.


they should be able to do that.
Old 01-28-2006 | 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by WECIV
It is called barndoor engineering, if it does not deal with the suspension, engine, running gear, et al, throw it away! I want roll up windows, manual locks, power nothing, and an LS7!
The GTO is about as plain as a new car gets inside and it's still heavy. Many features themselves don't actually add the weight to the car. The trick is the engineering and materials used.

Government safety regulation may dictate that it would need reinforcments to withstand offset crashes, side impacts and rollovers. That adds weight.

What will also matter is what platform it's based on. If it's based on the current CTS or the next Holden Commodore, don't expect it to weight under 3,500lbs.

I wouldn't be surprised if it weighs in fairly close to the GTO or a little less. Similar to the Mustang which is based on the Jaguar S-Type.
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Good points, Trishield. I just want a light pony car!!! Not a pig!!!
Old 01-28-2006 | 10:47 PM
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whos bitching about navigation and seat warmers adding too much weight?? how about going to the gym and running once in a while
Old 01-28-2006 | 11:23 PM
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All those weight adding bells & whistles you guys are talking about will increase the price just as much as they will the weight.

I don't know what the target is for the new camaro, but if they want to legitimatley compete with the mustang, they need to keep the car under $30K. There aren't too many cars in that price range that I know of that come with tons of heavy equip like heated seats and nav systems.

JustAnIlluzion- I feel you. I would much rather lose 10lbs off of my own carcus than rip out sound deadening material or other equip.
Old 01-29-2006 | 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by WECIV
"Thats just what GM needs to do, make another car that is undesireable to the masses just so a small group of enthusiasts will be happy. It would just be another suicide for the camaro if it does not appeal to a broad spectrum, esp. women. If you want a drag car/road warrior have some creativity and build your own, dont rely on a brand new vehicle with a factory warranty and govt. regulations to meet your needs. I'll take 400+ HP, leather seats, power everything, and a cold *** ac system"

I meant you should be able to option one in this manner, not make them all like this. I agree that most of these Maros will not be as race driven as I described because most of the nation wants a girly car, such as you described. I just want an option box.
you owned two mustangs and call him girly?


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