"Why the New Camaro Will Fail"?
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Originally Posted by FivePointGo
No one here have any respect for Mustangs?
Not to mention that I could out run GT's and Saleens during the 80's-Mid 90's with my Mazda, on and off the track.
And what about that Mustang II ???
Who could respect a car like that?
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Ford was first on the block by 3 years and the Mustang has always been easier to live with on a daily basis than the f-body. That is why Ford sells more.
I have owned 1 Fox bodied Mustang and 3 f-bodies. I always preferred the f-body, but the Mustang is a better DD.
Again, GM is late to the game and the car will be watered down by the bean counters to maximize profit.
Remember: GM is in the business of making money, not cars.
I have owned 1 Fox bodied Mustang and 3 f-bodies. I always preferred the f-body, but the Mustang is a better DD.
Again, GM is late to the game and the car will be watered down by the bean counters to maximize profit.
Remember: GM is in the business of making money, not cars.
Originally Posted by 2002_Z28_Six_Speed
Camaro has always had the traditional engine. V8,16 valves, pushrods. That is all I want in a car. Not all this gangly **** that the Mustang and other cars now incorporate. Do you know how hard it would be to work on a car with 32 valves? Everything is a fingernail apart from each other... the engine looks abnormally large and has smaller displacement.
Plus I will tell you right now that it is a pain in the *** to have two cams. You have to dial the cams in seperately with adjustable cam gears. That takes a lot of time to find the winning combo.
Plus I will tell you right now that it is a pain in the *** to have two cams. You have to dial the cams in seperately with adjustable cam gears. That takes a lot of time to find the winning combo.
Many people who have mustangs or love are mustang enthusiasts don't know much knowledge about the earlier f-bodies. I swear many people think that mustangs are faster than the f-bodies. Like this guy at work just bought a new 06 mustang and he was bragging on how much he had in the box. "this puppy gots 300hp right of the box." I was laughing in his face. I said it was about time that ford finally reached the 300hp mark. He didn't believe me that the z28 came w/ 310hp which supposely GM claim to have. I've raced plenty of 00-04 GTs w/ bolt ons and they're surpised that a stock ls1 fbody blows them away. Anything what is funny is when you read auto mags and always see the mustangs in the same group w/ the eclipse or some other import.
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From: Akron, Ohio
Ok has anyone seen the GT500. It will be a major obstacle for the Camaro. There's a reason GM is losing money by the billions! They always find a way to screw things up and I'm confident they will work their magic on the Camaro. Oh well, we can always hope.
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From: Illinois
Originally Posted by Dad's SS
Ok has anyone seen the GT500. It will be a major obstacle for the Camaro. There's a reason GM is losing money by the billions! They always find a way to screw things up and I'm confident they will work their magic on the Camaro. Oh well, we can always hope.
i also see the possibility of the camaro having the LS7, or it's successor, destroying the GT500 with more horsepower and less weight
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From: Arlington, TN
Woops looks like I bought a failed product.
Oh wait a minute I knew before the product showed up in the US that it would be a limited production run and nothing more. But I did atleast wait for the LS2.
15mpg... nope try an average of 18 with a lead foot and a person that drives it like he stole it... damn fun ride the GTO.
Marketing Failure not really, Pontiac was putting more into the little sports car called Solstice (which is to small for me).
I've had 4 fbodies, 1 gto, 2 trucks, and a 75 nova... never owned a mustang worked on a few and it just wasn't for me.
Will I trade the GTO in when the new ones come out... Nope may ****** one of the L92 based motors though
Some of his points do have a minor bit of validity, but not much.
To many Editors think its okay in this day and age to be biased. That is one of the major reasons I quit buying magazines and reading articles from people that are opinonated and don't list the whole truth.
Oh and yeah Ford was 3 years ahead with the first mustang but wasn't it based on the Cougar/Tbird frame of that time (alot of similarites under the body and around the frame rails). Ford's real good at taking one vehicle and cutting it up and making a supposedly new vehicle.
One of Ford's biggest disappointments is going to be the fact that the Cobra will not be able to go after the Corvette as it will be dualing it out with the GTO and SS Z28.
Oh wait a minute I knew before the product showed up in the US that it would be a limited production run and nothing more. But I did atleast wait for the LS2.
15mpg... nope try an average of 18 with a lead foot and a person that drives it like he stole it... damn fun ride the GTO.
Marketing Failure not really, Pontiac was putting more into the little sports car called Solstice (which is to small for me).
I've had 4 fbodies, 1 gto, 2 trucks, and a 75 nova... never owned a mustang worked on a few and it just wasn't for me.
Will I trade the GTO in when the new ones come out... Nope may ****** one of the L92 based motors though
Some of his points do have a minor bit of validity, but not much.
To many Editors think its okay in this day and age to be biased. That is one of the major reasons I quit buying magazines and reading articles from people that are opinonated and don't list the whole truth.
Oh and yeah Ford was 3 years ahead with the first mustang but wasn't it based on the Cougar/Tbird frame of that time (alot of similarites under the body and around the frame rails). Ford's real good at taking one vehicle and cutting it up and making a supposedly new vehicle.
One of Ford's biggest disappointments is going to be the fact that the Cobra will not be able to go after the Corvette as it will be dualing it out with the GTO and SS Z28.
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Originally Posted by crawlingt
i believe they were talking 40k range
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Originally Posted by 98 Raptor TA
I do get tired of seeing mustangs on the road cause they're more common than Hondas and they look like **** IMO, the body lines just suck and they're one of the ugliest "muscle cars" i've ever seen. (this is the 94-04 i'm talking about) Now the brand new one's i think look OK only because they brought back the retro look, and the 60's were the best looking mustangs. Still, i wouldn't mind seeing a **** load of Camaro's on the street, it's just that it would make them too common, and i like driving a car that you dont see on the road every 5 minutes.
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From: Auburn/Phenix City Alabama
Originally Posted by FireStorm
yep.. i seen all 2 tons of it, i seen it lose every performance test to a car with 100 less horsepower..
i also see the possibility of the camaro having the LS7, or it's successor, destroying the GT500 with more horsepower and less weight
i also see the possibility of the camaro having the LS7, or it's successor, destroying the GT500 with more horsepower and less weight
I'm sorry, but your point on the name is just stupid. If Chevy does put an LS7 in the Camaro, they will NOT call it "Camaro LS7" (that sounds flat out stupid). If they have plans to do that, they will call it the SS.
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From: Auburn/Phenix City Alabama
Originally Posted by 91RS
I'm sorry, but your point on the name is just stupid. If Chevy does put an LS7 in the Camaro, they will NOT call it "Camaro LS7" (that sounds flat out stupid). If they have plans to do that, they will call it the SS.
Well then SS or Shelby GT500..... is that better, and if you think that the point on the name is stupid, then I guess you know absolutetly nothing on how to sale something. Name is everything when it comes to making money. For the guy with the corvette post..... i agree to a degree but the corvette is in another class.