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"Why the New Camaro Will Fail"?

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Old 07-13-2006, 04:35 AM
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off topic, clean mach 1 Derk!
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Lutz was quoted as saying that GM would need to sell at least 100,000 camaros a year to stay afloat. Soooo....that's over half of the current mustang production. I don't know if the camaro can do it... It kinda changes the ballgame.

As much as I would love to see a new Camaro, the bean counters might snip the camaro's ***** off before it can even pull its pants down. I dare to predict that GM will try too much to copy the mustang that it might not be what enthusiasts are hoping for. GM used to be in the lead when it came to innovation and new products, now its playing catchup (HHR anyone?).

Time will tell.
Old 07-15-2006, 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by ws6manny
off topic, clean mach 1 Derk!

Thanks man. That's not a bad WS6 you've got yourself
Old 07-30-2006, 06:20 AM
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Originally Posted by sb427f-car
Production numbers (for the sister cars) were on par with that of the Mustang, there was a great rivalry between the three cars, and from the amount of women I've seen driving v-6 F-cars, I don't think this fool knows exactly what he's talking about.
Since Mustang & Camaro sales have been brought up alot here lately, here is a historical list of yearly Mustang vs Camaro sales. I hate to say it, but judging by the list below I would not call the Camaro or Firebird sales being on par with the mustang. Though the list below only shows Camaro sales, I've seen production numbers combinding both f-body lines and the mustang sales were still higher. You might want to re-check where you got you information. If you look at the last generation Camaro sales it was getting slaughtered by the Mustang.

Notes:
1. Cobra production from 1965-1969 is not included (it was counted as a separate line by Ford).
2. Numbers preceded by an asterik (*) designates a redesigned .
3. I didn't include Firebird or Capri figures though they are similar cars. With Ford having only 4000 dealers to Chevrolet's 5000, I don't need to!!

Year: Mustang/Camaro
64:*121,583/NA
65: 559,451/NA
66: 607,568/NA
67: 474,121/*220,906
68: 317,404/ 235,147
68: 299,824/ 243,065
69: 299,824/ 243,065
70: 190,727/ 124,901
71:*149,678/*114,630
72: 125,093/ 114,630 (not a typo!)
73: 134,867/ 96,751
74:*385,993/ 151,008
75: 188,575/ 145,770
76: 187,567/ 182,959
77: 153,173/ 218,858
78: 192,410/ 272,631
79:*369,936/ 282,571
80: 271,322/ 152,005
81: 181,552/ 126,139
82: 130,418/*189,747
83: 120,873/ 154,318
84: 135,678/ 261,591
85: 156,514/ 180,018
86: 224,410/ 192,219
87: 159,145/ 137,760
88: 211,225/ 96,275
89: 209,769/ 110,850
90: 128,189/ 35,048
91: 98,737/ 101,316
92: 79,280/ 70,712
93: 114,228/ *39,755
94:*123,198/ 119,934
95: 185,986/ 122,844
96: 126,483/ 66,827
97: 100,254/ 95,812
98: 170,642/ 77,198
99: 126,067/ 42,098
00: 218,525/ 45,417
01: 155,162/ 29,009
(01 production stopped May 2001. 2002 had a lengthy run))
02: (not yet released)

Total 1965-2001: 7,899,556/ 4,821,768

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Old 07-30-2006, 08:27 AM
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that guy loves mustangs because there slow. plain and simple. when my 4th gen was stock i was beating the crap out of the new mustang.
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Originally Posted by tkz28
that guy loves mustangs because there slow. plain and simple. when my 4th gen was stock i was beating the crap out of the new mustang.

They're slow in the certain years....a late 80's/early 90's 5.0 LX will walk all over a 96-98 4.6 GT's. Really the only mustangs that could even be hated on, speed wise, are the 94-98 GT's and 94-95 Cobra's weren't much to right home about.



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