Top of the line named Z28 instead of SS
07-24-2006, 04:53 PM
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The SS was the top performer when both were in the line up. The Z28 could handle better than a SS because that is what it was designed to do. But it was slower in performance than an SS. The base SS 350 Camaro was rated higher than any 302 Z28 and could be also had with a number of big blocks.
SS should still be the top dog in performance as its always been, at least when it comes to the Camaro
SS should still be the top dog in performance as its always been, at least when it comes to the Camaro
07-24-2006, 09:14 PM
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The top Corvette isn't an SS. Its an RPO code (Z06). So, there goes your arguments about Chevy using "SS" on its top level performance cars.
In the 1st gens, the Z28 out handled and was quicker than the SS 396 Camaro. That 302 was underrated, and could rev like a ****. It was also a much lighter engine and vehicle than the SS. The SS Camaros were the luxury cruisers with bigger engine options, the Z28 was all business. No automatic Z28s, no A/C, etc...
I'd love to see the Z28 be the equivalent to the Z06 in terms of rank within respective models.
Z28 = hardtop only, manual tranny only, beefier swaybars, bigger brakes, tranny/psteering cooler. Basically the "Z06" of the Camaro.
In the 1st gens, the Z28 out handled and was quicker than the SS 396 Camaro. That 302 was underrated, and could rev like a ****. It was also a much lighter engine and vehicle than the SS. The SS Camaros were the luxury cruisers with bigger engine options, the Z28 was all business. No automatic Z28s, no A/C, etc...
I'd love to see the Z28 be the equivalent to the Z06 in terms of rank within respective models.
Z28 = hardtop only, manual tranny only, beefier swaybars, bigger brakes, tranny/psteering cooler. Basically the "Z06" of the Camaro.
07-25-2006, 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Ace$nyper
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Ok seriously, SS is a shadow of its former meaning. It's not malibus and camaros and chevelles we are talking about here, its aforementioned blasphemy that has distilled the badge down to just a trim package, not an icon of performance. That is what happens when you put marketers in charge of something related to performance. Marketing wins.
I do think if it's hot it's hot, but in reality Z/28 is the only thing in Camaro terms that has not been watered down. Well, there were those Z/34 berettas, and Z/71 offroads among others, but who counts those?
Why not just call it Camaro? Does it need another name even if it does have performance packages? No one knows a y87 car from the rest unless they are into fbodies, for instance. Or does it need one because Rustangs have GT's? That is the only real holdover left, anyhow, isn't it?
07-25-2006, 03:55 PM
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it doesnt take away from the "Z" heritage when you put different letters or numbers behind it, Z28, Z34, Z24, Z26, Z71. And what companies use the Z moniker anyway, just nissan and chevy right? Anyway it doesnt matter they are gonna call it whatever they think will sell more they dont care about the history of a nameplate
07-25-2006, 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by RedZoutlaw
it doesnt take away from the "Z" heritage when you put different letters or numbers behind it, Z28, Z34, Z24, Z26, Z71. And what companies use the Z moniker anyway, just nissan and chevy right? Anyway it doesnt matter they are gonna call it whatever they think will sell more they dont care about the history of a nameplate
07-25-2006, 04:17 PM
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I think Nissan might have at one time tried to sue GM about this exact thing, IIRC.
Yes, focus groups and meetings will decide the name in the end.
Yes, focus groups and meetings will decide the name in the end.
07-25-2006, 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by lo_jack
Ok seriously, SS is a shadow of its former meaning. It's not malibus and camaros and chevelles we are talking about here, its aforementioned blasphemy that has distilled the badge down to just a trim package, not an icon of performance. That is what happens when you put marketers in charge of something related to performance. Marketing wins.
Maybe a nice SS Chevelle with an power house in-line 6 is what muscle is all about? Or is it supposed to be just V8's? Because they made both back in the 60's.
Not every SS was a top of the line Big Block. Most were low performance big blocks or small blocks that ran somewhere in the mid-high 14's. Kind of like what the SS of today runs....
07-26-2006, 01:08 AM
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Originally Posted by lo_jack
I think Nissan might have at one time tried to sue GM about this exact thing, IIRC.
Yes, focus groups and meetings will decide the name in the end.
Yes, focus groups and meetings will decide the name in the end.
Thats funny since GM had the Z first...the 240 Z didnt come out til the same year GM started selling the camaro with Z28 emblems, 68 and by then Z28 was a year old
07-26-2006, 01:44 PM
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Look at the SS in the last gen camaros there wasnt much in the difference in HP mostly looks. THe Colbalt SS has more of a HP difference between the base and SS, than the 1999-2002 SS vs Z28 and same goes for the trailblazer.....So these are there top of the line cars for that model, The z28 302 was faster than the SS of the day. The 302 could be reved to 8000......
07-26-2006, 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by SOM02WS6
Look at the SS in the last gen camaros there wasnt much in the difference in HP mostly looks. THe Colbalt SS has more of a HP difference between the base and SS, than the 1999-2002 SS vs Z28 and same goes for the trailblazer.....So these are there top of the line cars for that model, The z28 302 was faster than the SS of the day. The 302 could be reved to 8000......
the camaro SS of 4th gens is more the shame to the SS name then the colblat.
me myself I don't care I don't think SS or z28 holds enough to matter call it a GRE or TYPER for all I care.
07-26-2006, 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by SOM02WS6
Look at the SS in the last gen camaros there wasnt much in the difference in HP mostly looks. THe Colbalt SS has more of a HP difference between the base and SS, than the 1999-2002 SS vs Z28 and same goes for the trailblazer.....So these are there top of the line cars for that model, The z28 302 was faster than the SS of the day. The 302 could be reved to 8000......
07-26-2006, 06:44 PM
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67 to 69 z28 weren't minnie mouses either. I've seen STOCK 68 on the roller's pull just over 425 hp at the wheel's. it didn't have much torque at about 330lb's but it still hauled.and if a early z is runnig high 14's you need to take the keys away from the idiot. the early z's were 13 second car's if you could drive. the z wasn't faster then the zl1 and copo camaro's with the 427's. but a little faster then the 396ss.not try tostart a fightor anything but I just know a little differnt
07-26-2006, 06:50 PM
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None of this matters, GM is NOT going to against their own brand marketing and make the Z28 a "higher" option than the SS which designates it's highest option on a lot of other cars... That makes NO business sense WHATSOVER!
Especially when the loyalists can't even decide if MAYBE the Z28 was top dog back in the day... There is obviously NOTHING TO BASE THIS CLAIM (that the 5th Gen top dog would be a Z28) OFF OF.
Especially when the loyalists can't even decide if MAYBE the Z28 was top dog back in the day... There is obviously NOTHING TO BASE THIS CLAIM (that the 5th Gen top dog would be a Z28) OFF OF.
07-26-2006, 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by dogger
67 to 69 z28 weren't minnie mouses either. I've seen STOCK 68 on the roller's pull just over 425 hp at the wheel's. it didn't have much torque at about 330lb's but it still hauled.and if a early z is runnig high 14's you need to take the keys away from the idiot. the early z's were 13 second car's if you could drive. the z wasn't faster then the zl1 and copo camaro's with the 427's. but a little faster then the 396ss.not try tostart a fightor anything but I just know a little differnt
Seems the 302 has become a folk lore....
07-26-2006, 10:06 PM
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A little flashback...
Top powerplants of Z28 and SS from 1st Gens & 2nd Gens:
1967: SS - 396ci, 375hp; Z28 - 302ci, 290hp
1968: SS - 396ci, 375hp; Z28 - 302ci, 290hp
1969: SS - 396ci, 375hp; Z28 - 302ci, 290hp
1970: SS - 396ci, 375hp; Z28 - 350ci, 360hp
1971: SS - 396ci, 300hp; Z28 - 350ci, 330hp
1972: SS - 396ci, 240hp; Z28 - 350ci, 255hp
SS was usually tops in power, but not always, nor was it always faster.
Top powerplants of Z28 and SS from 1st Gens & 2nd Gens:
1967: SS - 396ci, 375hp; Z28 - 302ci, 290hp
1968: SS - 396ci, 375hp; Z28 - 302ci, 290hp
1969: SS - 396ci, 375hp; Z28 - 302ci, 290hp
1970: SS - 396ci, 375hp; Z28 - 350ci, 360hp
1971: SS - 396ci, 300hp; Z28 - 350ci, 330hp
1972: SS - 396ci, 240hp; Z28 - 350ci, 255hp
SS was usually tops in power, but not always, nor was it always faster.