It's not being built in Australia, it's being built in Oshawa.
Camaro will have IRS, 100% guaranteed.
It is NOT a reskinned Holden, Zeta is a global architecture. Yes Holden uses it too, but this car is not a reskin of anything.

Read this for accurate info:
https://ls1tech.com/forums/gen-5-racing-tech/612178-facts-about-2010-camaro-updated-10-17-2007-a.html


Sure GM has to make money on it as they do with anything.
Only 1-2% of the cars will ever see a dragstrip, hence the lack of reason to build a solid axle.
You can't build a car geared towards 2% of your market.

However it's rumored that GMPP may offer a solid-axle conversion.

 

1. How about the 4L80E?

2. The stock rear is for a stock car, and works fine for that. It would have been nice to have a stronger one, but you can't fault them for building something that works reliably in a stock configuration.

3. How do GM, Ford, and Dodge lack technology in their power/drivetrains? Which import is making 500 HP engines that are done reasonably? Do you mean price? There's only a handful of cars with 500 HP+ engines, and they are pretty much all exotics, many with power adders. GM has the LS7 for people that want NA power and offers engines like the 4.4L Supercharged Northstar V8 VVT (469 HP) for people that complain that they don't know how to make small, powerful, well mannered engines using modern technology. They also have plenty of other engine options in their stable if you consider crate options. They use direct injection, VVT, electronic throttle control, and a boatload of other new technologies.

Ford and Dodge also have some very nice engine options, many of which employ new technologies.

GM is also producing a number of alternative fuel vehicles (especially in commercial markets), and does more research than most of the import companies combined.

4. Overpriced? - all cars are overpriced, at least if you grew up at a time when you could purchase a car for about half of what it's current model is going for now. That's inflation. How does GM fare compared to their competition? Do they price themselves competitively? I think so, but if you have specific examples, it would be easier to see your point.

5. Quality - this is just not true. They're quality is extremely good right now. In fact, it's so good that publications that have been anti GM for the past 10-20 years are finding nothing bad to say about it, and sometimes...:gasp:...even praise them for it.

You really need to qualify your statements. Sure, you may be turned off of GM (or American companies in general), but that's not necessarily their fault - it may just be your ignorance.

Regarding design - that's really a matter of perspective. I'll ask you this, though. How many stand out - that is unique - designs have you seen from any given car company? This doesn't mean ones that you like, but ones that are unique. Seriously...list them.

Here's a start:
Toyota
MR2
Supra
FJ Cruiser

Honda
S2000?
NSX
Civic Del Sol?

Mazda
RX7

Ford
Mustang
GT
Model T
Model A
Thunderbird
...

Chevy
Corvette
Camaro
Impala
Monte Carlo
Chevelle
Corvair
El Camino
Nova
SSR
HHR
...

Add to these, then add in nameplates from Pontiac, Cadillac, Saturn, Hummer, Buick, Saab, Holden, Vauxhall, and Opel.

I really don't think you have any way of supporting that imports have more diverse designs than GM. They've supplied America with cookie-cutter cars for years and built a name off of their reputation for solidly built vehicles. Over the last few years they;ve been letting their quality slip, though, and Their designs have continued to be bland. I really don't think they have as much future as most people think they do. If they do, it certainly won't be based on their inspiring designs.

 

thanks for correcting my info.

 

*sigh*
hp/l in the real world is completely irrelevant. How much peak hp you can get out of X displacement really shows nothing. These companies CHOOSE to use the engines their using. The LS7, for example, weighs in at just under 400lbs, like all other LSx engines(for comparison, BMWs V10 weighs 530lbs, and dwarfs the LSx in size), and is physically smaller than most V6s. To top the icing on the cake the engine can be bought for around $12,000, which is still really high, but MUCH cheaper than say Ferraris 4.3L V8, or BMWs 5L V10.

 

Ya know, I bet it gets real old reiterating the same TRUE info in about every thread....

People bitch about the IRS, but like said, only a very small few use the car to drag race. Vettes are still clicking off 9 sec passes with IRS... and thats faster than 99% of people with one will go.

 

DId I mention the Hummer H3 fiasco? If ever a vehicle should have had a motor option...

Listen I think we all want the new camaro to succeed but here are some facts:
The market for this car to succeed is 20-30yrolds..not 40yrolds...not women...GM needs a following like the Mustang has. Forget about what marketing people say..they dont know squat.

I bet 75% of V8 camaros see hard driving...red lights...autocross..drag...not 5%. V6s are another story. If you are building a performace pony car then thats what you make. Bang for the buck.

There are $30k CTSs for people that want to cruise...there are $20k Cobolts for people that want fuel mileage. Make a car people can get fanatic about and customize it to be their own.

 

everyone is thinking with their "race" brain on... you need to turn that off and think what GM is thinking... SALES.. COMFORT.. COMPETITIVE WITH EUROPEAN MARKET CARS... GM doesnt care if anyone races.. drag, road, ect.. they need sales.. they want sales.. IRS is the way to get it.. and steal money from BMW's 3 and 5 M series.. they want GLOBAL sales..

now on the US market, they want to take it from Mustang, Charger, ect.. GM has spent a lot of time developing this.. they didnt spend a lot of time on the Aussie built GTO's..(which was another reason for higher cost due to the Aussie currency against the US dollar, not to mention importing)..

people need to relax.. and wait.. I can remember when everyone was in an uproar about getting rid of the distributer... everyone cried and said it wouldnt work.. granted the opti wasnt the best, but that evolved to the coil per cylinder..

give GM a break.. stop thinking "Race" minded.. and let things pan out.. technology is 20x's greater now than what it was back in 1992 when the 4thgen when into production.. and in 1997 they really didnt do anything other than the driveline swap and dash swap.. so relax guys. it will be a great car.. just dont compare apples to orange so quickly..

no major company, now a days, is going to build a car mostly for drag racing.. back in the 60's yes... today.. no

 

If GM wants a following like the Mustang has, then it must be marketed to everyone, including the 40+ age group and women (just like they're intending).
The market for the new Camaro definitely DOES include those groups.
FYI, the average age of a 4th Gen buyer was 41.

75% of the enthusiast crowd, sure.
But that still makes up less than 5% of the total buyers.

This car will not succeed without a successful V6 version.

 

Most people complain about the 4th gens. etc. Look at a 94z compared to a 94 mustang or 96 to 96. The camaro was all around better car. But GM rarely did tv ads and you could see fords everywhere.

GM had a ton of 7.5 axles, and everybody is complaing. Just think they could have added a 12 bolt for what 1500 a unit, but look at that 1500 per unit when they had a ton of old ones needing to be used.

How many people have broke a stock 10 bolt tire? on a stock car with stock tires daily driving?

My 10 bolt has 164k and been very good to me!

We as the customer want 12 bolt etc etc, but there looking to sell cars to the public not to the 5% of people that use a msg board and drag there car. They don't care about that. If they dont' sell x units they will discontinue such as 2002 fbodies.

How many people are going to care about the rear end and peak horsepower and what type of ignition it uses. They want heated seats, good gas milage and dependablity.

I think the 4th gens should have sold tons of units. I mean look GT vs Z28. The z braked better, more HP,handled better, and much higher safety rating, and got better fuel ecomony. I mean there are facts are not ti looked better (aka subjective) and they lost, becuase it didn't appeal to the public and the public didn't have enough markerting and knew anything about it.

 

That would make my day. If GMPP offered a complete kit that the average joe can do with no welding and tools every man's man has, that would be so great.

I recognise that the new Camaro MUST have IRS. Dosen't mean I want it, because i don't, but I realize that it must be that way. No way around it.

But, GM could make a conversion kit. Then everyone (with half a brain) should be happy.

It'd be even cooler if it could be a dealer-installed option! I live near Berger and would get mine from them.


What's with this flat black all of a sudden? Never crossed my mind that GM would ever offer any car in flat black. But, hell, that would be soo cool. That'd be the color I would get. With black wheels.

I want a stripper package that knocks serious cash off the price tag, too. Be able to delete damn near anything that doesn't cost GM to take out. And, why not?

A flat black stripper with the most powerful engine they'll offer. That'd be the ultimate Camaro.

Make it 1969 all over again. We've got the power, now give us the options for how we want it.

 

I deem this the worst thread on LS1 Tech. Has no realization of what average car buyer wants. Basing opinion off experience from selling cars.

 

It doesnt matter how much we bitch, moan, complain, want or anything else if no Main People from GM even get on here and read what people are asking for. I highly doubt they have the time to go through all of the post on here if on here at all period. Many people inc. myself wants the Trans Am back but I dont think it will show up IF at all unless the Camaro sells like there is no tomarrow. I dont want the big rims and tires on it and dont think GM is going to put them when it comes time to sell to us, more so for looks at this point in time. I have full intentions on buying the Camaro UNLESS it is comfered about the Trans Am but again I highly DOUBT it will be back anytime soon. But I can hope.

GM isnt the only car company that has or had issues.

Hell look at the New Ford Mustang GT shelby edition. 38k 13.4 1/4 mile 319hp. I am sorry 38k no thank you!!! But IF people buy them like nut ***** you can count on the Camaro prices going up.

Until people get to drive the Camaro down hard and dirty stop bitching about it. No one has driven it except for the test cars and they arent doing HP/mph runs, no 1/4 runs. Sounds like a bunch of ungreatful kids. We can just hope that GM makes the Camaro kick ***. As far as to Solstice or even SKY those cars are bad *** I would drive one but do an engine swap.

 

Actually people from GM do read sites and check their emails. I know that for a fact because one of them commented that they saw a car like mine on a site that I frequented and it was in fact mine because they told me what was in the backround of the picture. haha.

But, they only skim comments. Bombastic comments are ignored. Obviously, everyone claims they want a "bad-***" car that can do this and that, but, seriously when it comes time to getting a loan your thoughts change from 18 years old to 40 years old.

Besides, most people buying a car don't have any clue what engine is in it or how fast it can go. They get it for looks, cost, and features. If you deny that GM should build cars based off cost, features, and looks then you are living in a dream world which doesn't represent the true car buying market.

If the amount of people who wanted a truely capable car superceded the amount of people that wanted a functional and normal car than there would be no aftermarket for performance parts. Think about it. I really wish people would before they post this stuff.

 

Yup, GM people do infact read this on a daily basis.

Adding to what 2002_Z28_Six_Speed said, they do look for valuable input.
Suggestions, comments, constructive criticism.

If you post like this:
"If they don't put a LS7 and sell me it for $25K they're GAY!"
"No V6 junk belongs in it, that won't ever sell"

...then you may as well be invisible cuz it won't get read.

But if you post like this:
"I like this idea because..."
"I have a concern about..."
"How about this..."

...these create good discussions and will be paid attention to.

Also, get on GM's blog sites, that's a GREAT place to post feedback!
http://www.gmblogs.com

 

COOL THANX GUYS.. I would pay the $$$ for an LS7 in a Camaro and I know it would be a high 30k if not low 40k car. But it wouldnt run no 13.4 either. But we all know GM cannot make car faster and cheaper than the Vette. But the Vette is getting bumped up in power. Yes I would love a Trans Am but hell I am just happy to have the Camaro back.

 

to the ignorant ones who said the camaro is primarily a strait line... i guess donohue/penske never had one of the most succesful road racing programs in the sports history huh? the Z28 was a race car but not a drag car. camaros are a pony car not a muscle car, they were built for the road and handling. chevelles and gto's were the drag cars. think of the roots before you spout off at the mouth.

 

dear GM,


Go **** yourself.

thanks, The_Supra

 

They did finally produce a V8 Impy but it is FWD. Please GM give us Married W\Children gearheads a RWD LS2 powered Impalla. 4 doors and 11s without having to plunk down $45k for a CTSV would be great.