Does this guy have a point?
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Does this guy have a point? Or is he totally nuts? Another import lover insisting everything GM does is wrong. He is right on some accounts, but DOA?? Highly doubtful.
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I've never believed the car would hit GM's sales targets - except perhaps for the first year. And that's only if gas is reasonable, which is looking increasingly dubious.
But Mr. Peters writes as if the vast bulk of the cars would be big V8's. It will likely be the other way around. If the V6 version gets excellent gas mileage, a lot of people may flock to it as a stylish commuter/grocery getter. EPA highway MUST be 30+ and city at least about 22, or I think Peters is right and the car will be a bust.
But Mr. Peters writes as if the vast bulk of the cars would be big V8's. It will likely be the other way around. If the V6 version gets excellent gas mileage, a lot of people may flock to it as a stylish commuter/grocery getter. EPA highway MUST be 30+ and city at least about 22, or I think Peters is right and the car will be a bust.
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I've said it for years, the people that want these cars can't afford them, and the people that can afford them don't want them. I think the Mustang has survived because they sell pretty good to women and it curves the numbers. Nevertheless, I fear the Mustang is going to be approaching grim days. I am still wondering what they are going to do when it comes time for an update of the bodywork. How do you update retro?
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Personally, my bet is on GM overpricing the Camaro in a big way (especially Z28 etc models). The V6's will be the bulk of all sales however, a fully loaded V6 will most definitely fetch close to, or more than 30k IMO. We shall see I gues...
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Originally Posted by redarrow
I've said it for years, the people that want these cars can't afford them, and the people that can afford them don't want them. I think the Mustang has survived because they sell pretty good to women and it curves the numbers. Nevertheless, I fear the Mustang is going to be approaching grim days. I am still wondering what they are going to do when it comes time for an update of the bodywork. How do you update retro?
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Originally Posted by redarrow
I was thinking Mustang II from the late 70s.
I find it funny how Mustang guys refuse to acknowledge that the Mustang II existed until someone brings up that the Mustang died in '73. Then SUDDENLY the Mustang II counts and the Mustang ends up being 43 years old instead of 9. ROFL
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IF GM keeps to what they have said the Camaro will be right around the same price as the mustang at that time. But hell now you have 325hp mustangs that say Shelby on them selling for 36k before mark up. I see a decent hp Camaro around 31k range.
That guys math wasnt to bad. 70x4 is 280. But as for me the new Camaro will become my DD till and IF the TransAm comes out.
That guys math wasnt to bad. 70x4 is 280. But as for me the new Camaro will become my DD till and IF the TransAm comes out.
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The rebirth of the F-Body hopefully will draw attention to a dead industry. Dead from the standpoint of what is new that will attract customers to dealers?RWD, V8's, over 400HP haven't we already been there?
Oh, lets bring a car back that had a 35 year history. A car that over the years sold fewer and fewer units. Hopefully no one thinks this new car will become the #1. seller for Chevrolet.
The industry has changed each year I've been in it since returning in 2000. The industry was different in 2000 than 1968 when I began.
Hopefully the auto industry will continue to build platforms with many uses. Design engines for many vehicles. The twin cam I-6 began life in the T/Blazer. Same engine became an I-5 and I-4. The T/Blazer frame became the frame for the SSR. Also the new midsize S-10 with a name change as well as the H-3. No one single car is going to change the industry. GM, build me something different. Keep up with quality and our rivals. Management thinks 70% of all people switch to something different from what they thought they wanted.
my last year 2012, I'll keep trying till then. 
sick of it 
"author of Automotive Atrocities," yea, he may have experience looking at the possible success of various cars, and to be honest I don't see the new Camaro being wildly popular either, not until Chevy sheds its sterotypes of being low-quality (whether or not this is true, it is a popular belief here in the northeast) and mass produced.
I personally don't care if the car is a hit or not. Our F-bodies weren't a big hit, and look how much we love them!
I personally don't care if the car is a hit or not. Our F-bodies weren't a big hit, and look how much we love them!
Originally Posted by redarrow
I've said it for years, the people that want these cars can't afford them, and the people that can afford them don't want them. I think the Mustang has survived because they sell pretty good to women and it curves the numbers. Nevertheless, I fear the Mustang is going to be approaching grim days. I am still wondering what they are going to do when it comes time for an update of the bodywork. How do you update retro?