wow thats gonna be alot of v6 models out there.......

 

No doubt, but look at mustang sales. I bet that they sell close to 75% as v6 models.

Another thing I see GM doing is offering multiple v8 packages just like Ford has done. I'm not talking about what the 4th gen f-bodies did, where the differences between formula's / trans ams / z28's / SS weren't that dramatic. I can honestly see GM offering different engine packages from a small v8 in the 5.3L range up to 6.3l or even 7.0l. They already do that with the trucks and suv's. The trailblazer comes as a 4.2l i-six, 5.3 v8, and the 6.0l SS. This would enable them to compete with a base Mustang GT, as well as the other variants of the mustang.

 

I am a carsalemen (a chevy one too) if has money down on the car before they can build it there are some advantages, he will have the right to buy the first one allocated to the dealer, and if he wants to order one a certain way his will be the first at that dealer to be ordered, and probably on the same day that gm starts accepting orders which you or me will have litterally no idea until they decide, it not like they say ok were gonna start taking orders on this car in 10 days, you get a letter we are now accepting orders or an email.

 

Have fun with your sloppy seconds, thirds or even fourths Camaro!

 

And dumb consumers.

Where the hell did you get that number from?

Base MSRP on a 1998 Camaro Z28 coupe was $20,470, and by 2002 was $22,830.

Base MSRP on a 1998 Mustang GT coupe was $20,150, and by 2002 was $23,220.

Most option prices were also similar (for comparable options, not including stuff like T-tops that Ford didn't offer), yet the auto trans was nearly a $1k option on the Ford but free on the GM, so where's the $5k difference?

 

Honestly I would love to hang around the dealorships with cash in hand...not for the new camaro, for someone with a nice 4th gen trade in about to take a huge kick in the nuts when they offer them trade-in value... thats where the real cheap ones will be if you ask me.

about 3 years down the road when inflation on the new camaro is down, all the kinks are taken care of, I will wait until the end of season starts and take one home

 

I can see this happening as well. There will likely be some nice 4th gens on the market for much cheaper than they would have been without the 5th gen introduction.

 

I'm still hoping that they don't bring back the Firebirds. Not that I would get rid of my car, but it would make it harder seeing a new Firebird or Trans AM rolling on the streets.

 

As of now, they may be scrapping the whole idea of the Camaro, due to the new fuel regulations and high expectations for mpg. Just a thought to throw out there...We'll see what happens

 

It's going to be interesting in 2010.

 

that would be a huge mistake for GM to do

 

they wouldn't scrap it after all the money they spent on it...

 

This is absolutely not correct.

They are already retooling a plant for this car. The new Camaro WILL happen, mark my words. How long it'll last for is anyone's guess, but it WILL be released in 2009 (as a 2010), period, end of story. Anything else is purely rumor and fasle assumption.

 

[quote=The Alchemist;8359262]No doubt, but look at mustang sales. I bet that they sell close to 75% as v6 models.

I just read somewhere that v6 mustangs were about 50-55%. But that Ford was going to reduce the number/% of v8's in anticipation of reduced demand because of gas prices. I believe the article I read indicated an overall reduction in Mustang production for 2008 models too - recession + gas + lost jobs = fewer buyers.

If I were to buy a next generation Camaro, it would not be new. There'll be plenty of Camaro buyers with they're eyes bigger than they're wallets who will need to get out from under them by taking a serious hit. The bargains will be out there. After the nostalgia wears off and sales slump, the people who buy first runs will be kicking themselves because the manufacturer incentives will follow.

By the way, I don't have a dealership, but if anyone wants to get on a list, for $100 I'll put you on my list of people who want to be on lists. You can get a full refund at any time (less a $99 handling fee) if you should ever decide you no longer wish to be on the list of people who want to be on lists.

 

Are you saying that even if GM saw the writing on the wall and knew or otherwise decided this was the wrong car at the wrong time either because of gas prices, federal regulation, or a general economic downturn, they do not have the capacity to cut their losses rather than grow them?

 

If GM was going to stop the process of the new Camaro, they would already have done so, there would be no reason to wait any longer. And GM has made no mention of any stoppage of work on the new Camaro.

In fact, I remember reading an article recently that quoted Bob Lutz (I beleive it was him) as saying, that the new regs may put a hold on other RWD/V8 plans (such as a new RWD/V8 Impala), but that it was "too late" to stop Camaro, and they would be moving forward as planned with that car.

Furthermore, there is nothing about the new government mandate that would spell the end for Camaro specifically. GM just needs to raise their fleet MPG, which they will likely do with new technology making the V8s more efficent (DOD, direct injection, etc), and introducing additional and/or more efficent throw-away ecno cars to further raise the overall numbers.

I'm sure GM will find a way to keep a V8 in the Corvette, and whatever technology they use to make that happen while still meeting more strict standards can bleed down to the Camaro like it has for decades.

 

I read the same article quoting Lutz. I have also read articles that quoted me and I was shocked at what the reporter(s) said I said. I got to the point that I wouldn't speak to a reporter without a recorder taping the interview.

GM may very well proceed with the Camaro. I don't have any inside track on the issue. I think raising the issue based on recent events is reasonable and valid because I see what's happening around me as far as the economic outlook and it's very uncertain. Things look bad in the housing sector and the banking sector, but manufacturing is up and employment numbers aren't lagging yet. Some experts say we are already in a recession, others say it will happen in the 1st or 2nd quarter of 2008, and others say it will not happen. I just know forclosures are up, housing sales are down, inflation is much worse than the government is reporting, food costs are about to spike way up because of the mandated manufacture of ethanol from corn, gas prices are rising, a barrel of oil is almost $100, the carbon credit hoax has helped cause coal fired electricity to spike up, natural gas prices are way way up, credit card debt is growing, credit card defaults are at an unprecedented level, and most importantly, I see my discreetionary money shrinking.

While it is correct that GM has not announced the Camaro is scrapped, I haven't seen any recent publication where a GM representative reinforces the past Lutz interview. I have seen only the article in which a GM employee/rep says essentially that 2009 might be the end of the Corvette as a high perfotmance car. If there is a cintilla of truth to that, it would not make sense to reintroduce a Camaro, at least in a high performance model.

I know GM is a behemoth, but I have a difficult time believing the Camaro has reached a sort of car manufacturing DEFCON, and there's no stopping it or delaying it, and that it will go forward no matter what.

I don't have a dog in this fight. I don't own GM stock, and I don't have plans to buy a new Camaro. I'll keep my 2002 SS for a while longer and if I get around to needing another daily driver to replace my Caddy, it'll be used, not new, & it'll be less costly to drive and insure and it won't be a GM product because they aren't building a darn thing that stirs my interest.

 

I fail to see what any of that has to do with GM introducing a new car? OE auto manufacturers have introduced other new cars during times of economic downturns, so why should this be any different? It's not like everyone has run out of money; new cars will still be bought and sold.

I did not come away with the same impression of that article. It seems to me that 2009 might be the beginning of the end for the "supercar" Corvette (ZR1) and other OE supercars like it. But a standard Corvette can still achieve decent MPG even with 2007 technology, and I'm sure that MPG will improve as technology continues to improve.

Fear not, the Corvette will continue to be a high performance car well into the future. And I don't see any reason why GM would stop Camaro production now, it just wouldn't make sense considering they continue to build hype about the car and continue to spend money advertising it's pending introduction.

 

That does not go into effect until 2020 that is a long time off..GM can sell a lot of 5th gen Camaros between 2009 and when the new fuel regulations come in.