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Old May 29, 2008 | 04:28 AM
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I wouldn't take too much weight on some of the info in the article when they can't get their models correct.. Sounds like models for a trailblazer,etc rather than a camaro..

If they do make the supercharged camaro, they better make it 550hp just like the LSA motor going into the new CTS-V.. That way it will have no problem stomping a GT500 like nobodies business
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Old May 29, 2008 | 04:51 AM
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wouldnt that be the ****, a V6 camaro , kickin a mustang GTs ***

but to an earlier post, im sure with some bolt ons 300RWHP is very doable, intake and tune and new exhaust should yeild very good results.
Even if our V6 makes 275 at the crank, it'll make more than a stock 2005 GT. I dyno'd my little pony, bone stock, made 268rwhp, 291 torque. According to the V6 gage pod, it'll make somewhere around 370tq. putting HP at an estimated, 300, so actual wheel horsepower at about 280. The V6 will > a Mustang GT backwards.s Hell, one of the deciples said it would own a F-bod SS stock for stock.

Also, I still doubt a mid 30k SS\Base V8. I damn well better be able to get a non-SS\Z28 V8 model, or if I can't, as much of a stripper SS as possible. Pessimistic pricing is about 28-29k. Optimistic, for a stripper, is 26.

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Old May 29, 2008 | 08:13 AM
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Who knows where they got their info from, but it's the closest I've seen to what will most likely happen. It's funny Yahoo has better info about cars then Motor Trend. GM should drop that 220hp V6 and put in the 2.0T in it asap. That base V6 will be a dog if what they say comes true. I always thought the base V6 should be the 3.6L without DI. The rest of it is just what I thought it would be. If that LS3 is under $30K I'm all over it one day. It shouldn't be too hard to swap the SC from the LSA model. That would be a sweet upgrade.
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Old May 29, 2008 | 08:43 AM
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Interesting info. Although I highly doubt a V6 version will own an LS1 SS, even with the DI 306hp version. It's ridiculous to think they will have a V6 version that's capable of dipping into the high 12's as some stock LS1's have with DR's. And if the turbo 4 makes it in it will be making 260 at the crank just like all the other applications. Making 310 at the wheels. Crazy talk. A turbo version wouldn't be able to hang with a GT. The Sky/Solstice with the turbo are already a little slower, and they weigh ALOT less than what the Camaro will. And comparing the new Camaro to the current Stang isn't a fair comparison anyways. By the time the Camaro is out the new Mustang will almost be out with over 400hp. I'm not a stang lover or anything, but it's not really a fair comparison.
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Old May 29, 2008 | 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by OctaneZ28
This article is purely speculation.

Don't take anything as fact until the General gives us the real info.
Hmmm... That's not a very convincing denial. If I knew this stuff wasn't true, I'd have been saying something like, "Guys, how many times do we have to go through this? Do you really think freaking Yahoo got the big scoop on everyone just out of the blue? No word from GM, but then, BAM, Yahoo got the big news that everyone has been wanting? Yada, yada, yada." You know, I would have said more than, "This article is purely speculation."

Something tells me there might be a fair amount of truth in this, surprising as that may be.
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Old May 29, 2008 | 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by SJRTX
I talked to a GM rep visiting from Michigan in person today.

The LS designation thing was questionable. But everything else in that yahoo article you can "take to the bank".
Is your dealership going to be selling the new Camaro above MSRP? I would be satisfied with the LS3. You gonna cut the forum members a deal?
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Old May 29, 2008 | 01:48 PM
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Mid to upper $30s for a base V8 and you can count me out. The wife wouldn't let me get something that expensive for a weekend warrior and a Vette is only a 2 seater, so that doesn't work for me with a kid. If the new Mustang is going to have 400hp and cost less than $30k then that's the route I'm going to go.

You might want to re-think that price tag GM!
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Old May 29, 2008 | 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Semper91-RS
Even if our V6 makes 275 at the crank, it'll make more than a stock 2005 GT.
That doesn't make sense, stock 2005 Mustang GT's make 300 crank hp...
According to the V6 gage pod, it'll make somewhere around 370tq.
Heh, don't get your hopes up too much, the DI V6 from the CTS is making 273ft.lbs of torque maximum...

The V6 will > a Mustang GT backwards.s Hell, one of the deciples said it would own a F-bod SS stock for stock.
As sweet as that would be, I don't see it happening. Lets assume the 5th gen weighs as much as our 4th gens, the 5th gen will be down about 40hp, and around 90ft.lbs of torque. Either way the V6 model doesn't stand a chance unless its not the same DI V6 in the CTS.
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Old May 29, 2008 | 02:05 PM
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boo if that priceing is correct i will have to rethink buying one. i like the car but ne thing over 30k seems like 2 much
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Old May 29, 2008 | 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by firechicken_98
Mid to upper $30s for a base V8 and you can count me out. The wife wouldn't let me get something that expensive for a weekend warrior and a Vette is only a 2 seater, so that doesn't work for me with a kid. If the new Mustang is going to have 400hp and cost less than $30k then that's the route I'm going to go.

You might want to re-think that price tag GM!
GM has said many times that the pricing will be comparable to the Mustang. The Yahoo ad says 20k-30k.The only one it said was mid to upper 30s was the SS. A base V-8 should still be 30k or less. An SS isn't a base V8 car.
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Old May 29, 2008 | 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by txturbo
Is your dealership going to be selling the new Camaro above MSRP? I would be satisfied with the LS3. You gonna cut the forum members a deal?
No clue what the pricing is going to be like. Ill give deals If I can. In fact, Im thinking Ill probably have to fore go my GM employee discount if I want to get one early. Sad thing is, Ill probably pay it, just to be one of the first kids on the block with one.
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Old May 30, 2008 | 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by SJRTX
No clue what the pricing is going to be like. Ill give deals If I can. In fact, Im thinking Ill probably have to fore go my GM employee discount if I want to get one early. Sad thing is, Ill probably pay it, just to be one of the first kids on the block with one.
Just curious if your dealership has said anything, because some dealers are flat out saying they are selling them above MSRP, no matter what. I'm still planning on a 40K price to get what I want either way. But I'm not paying more than MSRP. If I have to wait 6-8 months before I buy, then I will.
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Old May 30, 2008 | 03:01 PM
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GM should be listening .

If the dealers tak on their big mark-ups the way they did with the GTO , then GM can expect the same kind of reception . It will literally kill the CAMARO right out of the gate . About a year later when fuel hits $5.00 per gallon for regular , then the sumbitches will start panicking and the price will drop like a lead ballon , even below retail sticker .
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Old May 31, 2008 | 02:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Z ROADSTER
GM should be listening .

If the dealers tak on their big mark-ups the way they did with the GTO , then GM can expect the same kind of reception . It will literally kill the CAMARO right out of the gate . About a year later when fuel hits $5.00 per gallon for regular , then the sumbitches will start panicking and the price will drop like a lead ballon , even below retail sticker .
I wouldn't worry about the Camaro not selling. ...even with the dealers inflating the prices. Something tells me the Camaro will embarrass the Mustang in sales. If you went to the Detroit in 2006 after they unveiled the concept, you'd understand. The response from the people was overwhelming. (None of the other pony cars were getting any where near the amount of attention the Camaro was.) That and when I went to go see Transformers opening day (2007) in Orlando... everyone in the three story theater was giving a standing ovation, clapping and cheering, when bumblebee changed into the concept. I remember one guy yelling, "That's the money!!!".

Transformers 2 started filming (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1055369/). Looks like a June 09 opening. Which will help push the sales through the model year. Which then they will have the convertible available after that.

What sucks is that a lot of us will most likely have to wait to get the Camaro we want.

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And yes, the LT, LS model names would be retarded on the Camaro. Yahoo needs to be pushed out of an airplane in mid flight with nothing but a banana suit on for even posting that.
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Old May 31, 2008 | 03:04 AM
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I really don't think they will be on the new Camaro at all. But I agree, watching transformers 1, I still get that tingling feeling in my stomach, when Bumblebee comes back as the concept. It's like 'YES!'
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Old May 31, 2008 | 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by LS1LT1
If this is _really_ what it will look like. What a let down. No new style, "it looks like a Dodge".

When I saw the F-Body in the dealership I knew I would own one someday. This car sucks, where is the imagination and style innovation?

I try not to use the word never, but at first glance I wanted to say I'd never buy that car and think I had a Camaro. Yikes, there aren't enough bolt on's for that thing.
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Old May 31, 2008 | 12:39 PM
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If this is _really_ what it will look like. What a let down. No new style, "it looks like a Dodge".

When I saw the F-Body in the dealership I knew I would own one someday. This car sucks, where is the imagination and style innovation?

I try not to use the word never, but at first glance I wanted to say I'd never buy that car and think I had a Camaro. Yikes, there aren't enough bolt on's for that thing
What exactly do you KNOW about the car? Or are you spouting **** off because you can't read basic facts. First off; those aren't the real headlights. The rear fascia isn't complete at all, and no where near that amount of muffler will be visible. Third, I personally think they did an amazing job staying true to the concept, short of the B-pillars, and switching the tank location.
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Old Jun 1, 2008 | 09:58 PM
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I hope Yahoo isnt right! You may have to potentially spend 35000 for a V8 camaro! Do you guys really want a HO V6? The exhaust will sound hideous! Lets hope this little article is BS because who the F*CK wants a HO V6 camaro.

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Old Jun 1, 2008 | 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted by 2000Hawk
I rather see the SS as the supercharged owner, and the Z28 running the LS3.
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when has the SS name EVER been below any kind of a Z?
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Old Jun 2, 2008 | 01:39 AM
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Originally Posted by 7camaro7
when has the SS name EVER been below any kind of a Z?
The Camaro SS350 could've easily been classified as below the Z28 of the same era.

But it's not a matter of one being below/above the other, they were more likely equals but in different categories.
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