Z28 is dead?
Another toilet paper article from the car rags....
They haven't even announced any production details, and already this?
Super Chevy is apparently desperate for attention, because this is downright stupid.
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Oh sure , everybody write in to save a car that hasn't even been released yet . For Pete's sake people , are you blind . The handwriting is & has been on the wall for a couple of years now . Get a grip ! GM is soo slow to market with its new vehicles , they seem old & out of date by the time they hit the streets . This sucker will be born dead ! So move on already .
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Worse, we hear one executive hates the Camaro so much that he'll sign its death warrant after the first year if the car fails to sell 80,000 units (essentially, the car's break-even number).
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Despite my totally disliking the styling I hope the Camaro does well. Sadly that is all I have though, hope. That's a very depressing place to be. I can't cite previous marketing that helped broaden the interest in GM performance cars. I can't cite previous examples of GM making pony cars (or performance cars) in sufficient numbers. I can't cite previous examples of GM making a V6 commuter version of a pony car that had anywhere near the sales numbers of the Mustang...or this 80,000 number. Now, I can't say that GM is going to offer a commuter version to compete with the Mustang that will be competitive in price. Let's face it if someone is going to buy a V6 commuter car 9 times out of 10 they aren't going to care if it has an independent rear suspension or not, a couple thousand more in price will swing them towards the Mustang.
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The car will be fine in my opion. And GM takes way to long to relase its new products but some of that time maybe well spent on taking care of smaller problems with the cars.
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Theres no one there goin to kill the camaro idea exspecially when The new Transformers movie which is being filmed is supposed to get released the same day the new camaro is going to hit the floors GM wouldn't of put so much into R&D for this car there more likley gonna get rid of that pontiac concept truck not the camaro it has to big of a following
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If this is such hogwash, I wonder why fbodfather isn't here to do damage control. Nothing from him on camaro5 either last time I checked.
Same situation after the yahoo leak too . . .
edit: here is a short statement-
So at best we have conflicting statements. Who knows if the superchevy source or fbodfather is correct.
Same situation after the yahoo leak too . . .
edit: here is a short statement-
The Camaro (and Z28) is not Dead.
(......in my opinion, there are some in the enthusiast community that hope it does die -- esp. on certain sites -- and that confounds me........not to mention giving a dangerous boost to my blood pressure......)
I don't know how these things get life -- but let me assure EVERYONE -- that every car and truck program out there is on the table right now -- and I think I can safely say that this is the case at the other two American manufacturers -- all one has to do is to look at what's happening to new vehicle sales -- coupled with the housing meltdown -- the budget deficit -- the elections -- the Dow Jones Industrials down by a breathtaking amount -- and of course, high energy costs that are forcing the price of everything upward................
(......in my opinion, there are some in the enthusiast community that hope it does die -- esp. on certain sites -- and that confounds me........not to mention giving a dangerous boost to my blood pressure......)
I don't know how these things get life -- but let me assure EVERYONE -- that every car and truck program out there is on the table right now -- and I think I can safely say that this is the case at the other two American manufacturers -- all one has to do is to look at what's happening to new vehicle sales -- coupled with the housing meltdown -- the budget deficit -- the elections -- the Dow Jones Industrials down by a breathtaking amount -- and of course, high energy costs that are forcing the price of everything upward................
Last edited by triggerjerk; Jul 9, 2008 at 12:32 PM.
Theres no one there goin to kill the camaro idea exspecially when The new Transformers movie which is being filmed is supposed to get released the same day the new camaro is going to hit the floors GM wouldn't of put so much into R&D for this car there more likley gonna get rid of that pontiac concept truck not the camaro it has to big of a following
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Oh yeah ? So you are saying all of the info on the Camaro has been released ? I don't think so ! Where have you read the exact date of showroom sales will begin ? Where have you read the exact engine / trans. & HP numbers . And what options will be available ? No , I'm sorry but even General Motors isn't sure of anything concerning this car . They can't even tell us the exact selling price . Now at this VERY late date are you so sure the car will ever make it to the showrooms ? Why do you suppose GM still hasn't released any bonafide written in stone info ? Some fools will always make excuses for their beloved GM , like oh , they just want to make sure there will be no problems with the car , thats why its taken so long. Yeah Right ! And I promise not to come in your mouth !
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At any rate how many of you could even purchase a $60k camaro. Im not saying that's what it would cost but isn't the zr1 $100k. The z28 would only be 100-150hp less that the zr1 you can't tell me a z28 wouldn't cost more than a base vette or maybe a vert. So, how many people have dreamed about having the fastest factory camaro and are willing to buy it for more than a vette, I sure wouldn't.
I'd go to the base vette before I'd even spend $40K on a camaro. I want a camaro though at a camaro price $20-33k. At one point I was going to buy a used c5 manual $20-33K til I drove a few and realized the owners drove the **** out every last one of them. I'm one of the 80k buyers out there looking for a new performance car in the right price range. I've test drove alot for cars audi tt, crossfire, 350blah, mustangs, anything 2 seater, but want a gm. The only car out there by gm is the sky solstice and they belong with small british road course cars not drag cars.
Do you know gm could have financed 2 years of the camaro already and none of this gas bs would matter. The camaro could have been that boaster shot to remind the company of how to connect with there buyers. Now GM is shaking the 8 ball: Will we survive with a camaro? Should we only make eco cars? Nobodies buying who's the consumer needing a car?
I'd go to the base vette before I'd even spend $40K on a camaro. I want a camaro though at a camaro price $20-33k. At one point I was going to buy a used c5 manual $20-33K til I drove a few and realized the owners drove the **** out every last one of them. I'm one of the 80k buyers out there looking for a new performance car in the right price range. I've test drove alot for cars audi tt, crossfire, 350blah, mustangs, anything 2 seater, but want a gm. The only car out there by gm is the sky solstice and they belong with small british road course cars not drag cars.
Do you know gm could have financed 2 years of the camaro already and none of this gas bs would matter. The camaro could have been that boaster shot to remind the company of how to connect with there buyers. Now GM is shaking the 8 ball: Will we survive with a camaro? Should we only make eco cars? Nobodies buying who's the consumer needing a car?
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This is what I sent:
Killing the Z28 is something that GM should NOT even think about. We have been in "fuel crisis" before, slumping economy, sky is falling scenarios. America recovers, and better than it was. We have the badest and the best here, and what better way to show it, by the cars we choose to drive, not because we are worried about bad news, economist predictions, etc.
I have owned 4 Camaros, current is a 98 Z28. I love it, plain flat and simple. I want another Z28, a new one. I have no intentions of trading this one in. I wanted to keep all the others as well, but matters in life affected that, no worries.
Key point is, I CHOOSE to drive a Z28, which does not get bad gas mileage at all and still can kick about 80% of the cars *** on the road right now! Mod her up some more and you are well in the 90% range. Keep the spirit alive, make the gas sippers and all, but I am sure if you listen to people and NOT the paper pushing economists who seem to thrive on bad news, you will find that we WANT this and WILL but it. Just look at why the Camaro came back, you had such enthusiasm for it. Give the new one a chance, put the best out there and watch what happens, I bet you will be pleasantly surprised with the outcome, like you have promised us we will be when we see the new Camaro officially unveiled in Sept.
Build it, we will buy!
Killing the Z28 is something that GM should NOT even think about. We have been in "fuel crisis" before, slumping economy, sky is falling scenarios. America recovers, and better than it was. We have the badest and the best here, and what better way to show it, by the cars we choose to drive, not because we are worried about bad news, economist predictions, etc.
I have owned 4 Camaros, current is a 98 Z28. I love it, plain flat and simple. I want another Z28, a new one. I have no intentions of trading this one in. I wanted to keep all the others as well, but matters in life affected that, no worries.
Key point is, I CHOOSE to drive a Z28, which does not get bad gas mileage at all and still can kick about 80% of the cars *** on the road right now! Mod her up some more and you are well in the 90% range. Keep the spirit alive, make the gas sippers and all, but I am sure if you listen to people and NOT the paper pushing economists who seem to thrive on bad news, you will find that we WANT this and WILL but it. Just look at why the Camaro came back, you had such enthusiasm for it. Give the new one a chance, put the best out there and watch what happens, I bet you will be pleasantly surprised with the outcome, like you have promised us we will be when we see the new Camaro officially unveiled in Sept.
Build it, we will buy!
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Lutz is looking out for #1 - Wagoner is protecting his golden parachute cause he knows the fat lady is clearin her throat - and them ****** bean-counters are still tryin to dictate what kind of cars we can & can't have . Their the som-bitches that put GM in the position their in today . I say throw the bums out with Wagoner !
Oh yeah ? So you are saying all of the info on the Camaro has been released ? I don't think so ! Where have you read the exact date of showroom sales will begin ? Where have you read the exact engine / trans. & HP numbers . And what options will be available ? No , I'm sorry but even General Motors isn't sure of anything concerning this car . They can't even tell us the exact selling price . Now at this VERY late date are you so sure the car will ever make it to the showrooms ? Why do you suppose GM still hasn't released any bonafide written in stone info ? Some fools will always make excuses for their beloved GM , like oh , they just want to make sure there will be no problems with the car , thats why its taken so long. Yeah Right ! And I promise not to come in your mouth !
At any rate how many of you could even purchase a $60k camaro. Im not saying that's what it would cost but isn't the zr1 $100k. The z28 would only be 100-150hp less that the zr1 you can't tell me a z28 wouldn't cost more than a base vette or maybe a vert. So, how many people have dreamed about having the fastest factory camaro and are willing to buy it for more than a vette, I sure wouldn't.
I'd go to the base vette before I'd even spend $40K on a camaro. I want a camaro though at a camaro price $20-33k. At one point I was going to buy a used c5 manual $20-33K til I drove a few and realized the owners drove the **** out every last one of them. I'm one of the 80k buyers out there looking for a new performance car in the right price range. I've test drove alot for cars audi tt, crossfire, 350blah, mustangs, anything 2 seater, but want a gm. The only car out there by gm is the sky solstice and they belong with small british road course cars not drag cars.
Do you know gm could have financed 2 years of the camaro already and none of this gas bs would matter. The camaro could have been that boaster shot to remind the company of how to connect with there buyers. Now GM is shaking the 8 ball: Will we survive with a camaro? Should we only make eco cars? Nobodies buying who's the consumer needing a car?
I'd go to the base vette before I'd even spend $40K on a camaro. I want a camaro though at a camaro price $20-33k. At one point I was going to buy a used c5 manual $20-33K til I drove a few and realized the owners drove the **** out every last one of them. I'm one of the 80k buyers out there looking for a new performance car in the right price range. I've test drove alot for cars audi tt, crossfire, 350blah, mustangs, anything 2 seater, but want a gm. The only car out there by gm is the sky solstice and they belong with small british road course cars not drag cars.
Do you know gm could have financed 2 years of the camaro already and none of this gas bs would matter. The camaro could have been that boaster shot to remind the company of how to connect with there buyers. Now GM is shaking the 8 ball: Will we survive with a camaro? Should we only make eco cars? Nobodies buying who's the consumer needing a car?
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$25-$28k? I think your dreamin'. $29.5k minimum, unless GM slashes prices to get the sales moving, but then the dealers will just mark it up anyways. My fingers are still crossed that the camaro will be a great success, and the super camaro (supercharged z28?) will make it to market, and at a decent price.