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Old 07-20-2008, 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by caseypayne69
This is yours and every other GM boys opinion. Do a google search RIGHT now and EVERY single review comparison LIKES the Mustangs interior / exterior looks over the F-body from 94-99. Promise you.
Here you go...

http://www.stangbangers.com/GT_vs_Ca...8_Article2.htm

http://www.stangbangers.com/99GT_vs_...8_Article1.htm

WOW, the Rustang got owned both times! OMG I can't believe it.
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Originally Posted by caseypayne69
This is yours and every other GM boys opinion. Do a google search RIGHT now and EVERY single review comparison LIKES the Mustangs interior / exterior looks over the F-body from 94-99. Promise you.
Find me a legitimate review for both vehicles from a professional magazine like Car&Driver, Road&Track or motortrend. (not a Ford magazine).
Honestly I have found none that even talk about the interior of either car.
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That's odd, those reviewers on the mid 90's interiors must be on crack. Lets see, front seat room in 94 Mustang. Sucks. Fbody, spacious. Rear seat in Mustang. One leg lodged between front door and front seat, other on center console. Duck head. Fbody, legs kinda cramped, but still on floor and at 5'11" head still has plenty of clearance from roof.......
Shifter position also completely sucks in the Mustang and is awkward to operate. I drove a friends 99 5 speed car, I couldn't wait to stop driving it, not a lot of foot room.
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Originally Posted by caseypayne69
Johnnystock, I'm not saying its crap. Just won't be the huge gap like in 98. 310 hp z28 vs 225 hp gt or 305 hp Cobra. All though the SN95's are lighter. LS1' rock, and i've considered droppin one in my modular over a 351 windsor motor.
ok cool..
But the 98 all had 350hp by the way...Its because of that it was killing a lot of cars. Now its the LS3 rated at 416, looks like the same story again; underrate a car so GM can say corvette has a better engine to the avg Joe..but int he end its same and exact engine!

of course the gap cant be always that high...but I think the new camaro will perform greatly with the LS3 under the hood with a 6 speeds. It will kick serious *** from the factory, I'm pretty sure.
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The two listed above are from Car and Driver. They just happened to be listed on a Mustang fan site. I'm curious to way they're listed on that site though, considering the Mustang lost both comparissons. lol

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Originally Posted by JD_AMG
Find me a legitimate review for both vehicles from a professional magazine like Car&Driver, Road&Track or motortrend. (not a Ford magazine).
Honestly I have found none that even talk about the interior of either car.
and I dont consider R&T, Car and Driver legitimate since they've fallen in the trap of the GTR god.
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I have noticed ALOT of "rated" HP numbers being thrown around. The ONLY numbers that matter are the ones that are put down on a dyno (power curve, not peak), and at the track 1/4mi, nurburgring, closed courses, etc. So until we get those, there really is no point in arguing and bench racing, which i have noticed, ricers and mustang owners are best at.

Bench Racing does not win REAL races

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Originally Posted by JD_AMG
Find me a legitimate review for both vehicles from a professional magazine like Car&Driver, Road&Track or motortrend. (not a Ford magazine).
Honestly I have found none that even talk about the interior of either car.
Edmunds
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...rticleId=43891
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Originally Posted by caseypayne69
what the hell is this? a fkn chatroom conversation?
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Originally Posted by Assassin66
what the hell is this? a fkn chatroom conversation?
That's what I though it was. How about a real review.
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Man, there goes GM, stealing a fundamental shape that ford created to make its air vent with... Cant those guys ever do something original?

They need to make their new air vents in the shape of an amoeba....
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Originally Posted by Assassin66
what the hell is this? a fkn chatroom conversation?
I'm sorry we're busting your ***** man, but your trying to defend the Mustang on "LS1"tech.
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Originally Posted by 96tealTA
I'm sorry we're busting your ***** man, but your trying to defend the Mustang on "LS1"tech.
seriously...and a 1996 GT nontheless, the slowest of GTs out there
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Oh, sorry. I didn't mean to quote you assassin66. I was aiming that towards caseypayne69.
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Originally Posted by 96tealTA
Oh, sorry. I didn't mean to quote you assassin66. I was aiming that towards caseypayne69.
haha...its all good in the hood
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hey caseypayne69...i'll race u...but i only race for keeps...u down?
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Originally Posted by Assassin66
hey caseypayne69...i'll race u...but i only race for keeps...u down?
I don't want to lose my car lol. My buddies 02 TA beat me enough. I do love TA's over Camaro's in looks. And wanted to buy an 02 Model, just couldn't get into the interior. Yes I know its shifter is in a BETTER spot.

I'll probably be hated for this but my favorite American sports cars go in this order.

Ford GT > Viper GTS > Corvette z06 > 94+ Any model Mustang > 98+ F-body.
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Originally Posted by caseypayne69
On top of things are lighter cars more nimble at the track? Speaking of nimble Mazda Miata's. GT500 has what 550 hp now and who knows by 2010? It ways around 3700. 6.72 so the Camaro loses against the top Mustang.
The GT500 is a porker as well, it weighs in at 39xx lbs, not 3700.

The weight of the Challenger, Mustang and Camaro is simply out of control. I may as well get a damn SUV instead.

These cars were intended to be small, light, economical performance coups when they were conceived.

I guess they forgot all about the small and light.

On the plus side, with the Camaro and Challenger you don't get that POS modular.
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You guys are now arguing over the interiors of cars no longer in production.

If they were, my 03 Cobra was better than BOTH of my 99 and 02 SS's. IMHO.

The new Camaro should be great and lets HOPE they sell like the 05 GT's did. It sure does look like a heavy sob and the Cd looks like its going to be rather higher than the previous model so it may be only a hair faster than the 98-02's but could it really be slower..........?

Atleast they has the ***** to bring back a car from the dead, in case you forgot, nobody was buying F-bodies.

Just get a used LS2/LS3 C6 and call it a day. Serriously.
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Originally Posted by caseypayne69
This is yours and every other GM boys opinion. Do a google search RIGHT now and EVERY single review comparison LIKES the Mustangs interior / exterior looks over the F-body from 94-99. Promise you.
This argument is absurd.

It is like two guys, one with gonorrhea and the other with syphilis arguing about who has the better STD.



I guess one could also say that the modular is like also having AIDS in addition to gonorrhea or syphilis.
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