Vertigo

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I noticed that the material around the valve stem is much less, it is thinner. Could this be a point of failure in the event of bad valve train geometry?

nanokpsi

So he runs deeeeepppp into the 10s with lid, ex and stall, lol

UltraZLS1

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I have seen 507rwhp from a cam only ls3 vette. with a lot more torque than 387

also for sound. car camming at idle > supercharger whine/turbo blow off......IMO

nanokpsi

Not that it matters, as I was responding to someone say a cam only SS was going to be a gt500 killer, but my car is also cammed http://s18.photobucket.com/albums/b1...t=DSCF0747.flv

Also, your "cam only" is actully cam, intake, longtubes, ex and tune, which is both more expensive and less productive than a pulley, intake, tune gt500 . It is not fair to compare the cars, but I wasn't the tard who initillay did.

My car also makes more torque on the street, as boost hits nearly 1k rpm sooner, not to mention what it makes on c16, or even e85 when it makes nearly 200more whp. Again, that is irrelevant as my car should not have been brought into it. Again, I'm not the tard that did it, nor keeps doing it. I think you get the credit for that one this time.

kthxbye

NemeSS

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im gathering parts to build a iron version of a ls3 wannabe
.060 over 6.0 with l92 heads and ls3 intake with 90mm tb.
i found a new ls3 car intake on ebay and some bastard out bid me. for only a few cents it was like 5 cents iirc

UltraZLS1

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"cam only" is a term used to describe a car that hasnt had the heads changed yet and one assumes all other bolt-ons. Just about everyone that has been on this forum for over 6 months should know that buddy.

More productive? That all depends on how much boost you want to add etc. But I would say the ls3 is holding its own with a 120rwhp gain from "cam only" set-ups. not to mention this is 500rwhp NA

more expensive? Really? I didnt know you could buy a gt500 and do all those mods for less than a camaro with cam etc? I might have to pick one up.

I brought your car into it because you were bragging about your 500rwhp. I simply replied that a stock bottom end and stock heads ls3 can better that with more torque naturally aspirated. Dont need to get your panties in a bunch

Sgt Drags

quote-my car also makes more torque on the street, as boost hits nearly 1k rpm sooner, not to mention what it makes on c16, or even e85 when it makes nearly 200more whp-quote

I didn't know that little 4 banger cars were using e85, a fuel that is roughly 85% ethanol (A byproduct of corn btw). I watched your little 10 second video but didn't see a 10# bag of white rice in the backseat. To compare using c16 race fuel to "even" using e85 is blatantly stupid. Everybody knows that e85 is some garbage a$$ fuel. Typical damn ricer!

nanokpsi

Actually, you can make ethanol from a variety of things. The US uses corn, and some wood chips, but that is not ideal. It's also only contains 70% of the energy as gas, so you need 30% more to make the same power, whch is why my car runs big pumps in parallel and 1600cc injectors. The good thing about it for FI cars is it simlar cooling properties as methanol and good bit higher octane, which let you run ~30-35psi. I refered to it as "only" beig that it gives damn near c16 performance in turbo cars for only 2.99 a gallon, which is about 1/4 of the price of c16.

As for the SS vs. GT500, I am well aware of what "cam only" means, which is why I put what it entails since it is easier to say than "4-5k" in mods. I was saying the price of the mods was far more expensive than a inatke pulley and tune, which gets gt500s ~140whp for about $1100. I was using the cost of the cars as reasoning it wasn't far to compare them, knowing the gt500 will cost about 10k more than a similarly equiped SS. If you figure the cost of the car into the bang for the buck equation the cheaper car almost always wins, which is what spawned the whole "ricer" movement.

As far as torque numbers go, I would hope a 6.2l motor could make similar torque to a 2.4l, 67mm turboed 4 banger on pump gas. Not that my car ever goes out to play on pump gas anyways

Chadder

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Dude, no one cares about your 4g in a thread about the new ls3. Yes, e85 is some great **** to run (~100 octane), yes turbo 4's can make some serious power and run fast times, but dude, you're just trolling now.

Can we get back on topic?

enginjoe

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105 octane

UltraZLS1

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It doesnt cost 5k for a cam swap, especially if you do the labor yourself...which is the only way I would ever do it.

cam= 400
springs= 200
full exhaust= give or take 1000
tune=450 (what they charged me at EPP)

what else? not sure about the air intake...but lets add 200 for that just in case. and add another 250 for miscellaneous unknowns/tools

your looking at $2500 give or take. and a little over $3000 give or take if you have the cam swap done

No new intake and no new tb required for new camaro (90mm stock). Not sure if the stock clutch will need to be replaced either...but im betting it will hold up decent enough until one can make the purchase. No lifters needed. The new injectors are plenty as well from what I have read.

but damn thats nice for only 1100 bucks. and yeah factoring in the starting price of the car is definately a ricer argument. buy any peice of trash for 500 bucks and throw 15,000 at it= dust most anything stock

Sgt Drags

I guess I was not thinking about the same e85 you all are. I was under the assumption that it was the crap that flex fuel vehicles use. I heard that stuff is garbage, like people lose massive amounts of mpg's when using it???

blades11b

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ok well back on topic the LS3 is gonna be very nice and seems Chevrolet made improvments over the LS1 which is great considering the LS1 alone showed GM's ability to make a Push-rod V8 that would stomp the **** out of OHC Fords.. which is what everyone thought the world would be switching to since they were so much better... haha. so yeah 2010 SS LS3 with roughly 5k in it = GT500 killer for alot less price, better styling and at the end of the day... your driving a Chevrolet.. not a Ford

enginjoe

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We are talking about the same crappy fuel. On a non modified n/a motor, E85 does lose up to 30% in fuel mileage and, unless your car is tuned for it, it will cause poor performance. On a boosted or modified motor, the loss is much less and it costs 20% less so it is almost a wash. Why run it? 105 octane. I daily drive with it and don't have to turn down the boost.

nanokpsi

I'm not trying to bad on the LS3 at all. I think its awesome. When the lease is up on the daily I am going to try and pick up a Z28/gt500 (which ever has a stronger stock block), but if they are not in the cars, I'll pick up an SS.

A set of quality longtubes is going to run you 800-900 bucks. A nice borla or Corsa catback will be as much or more. cam/springs is another 600. Intake and tune is another 700. If you had a shop do all of that my original qote wasn't too far off. I'm like you though. Do everyhting myself.

Got Me SOM

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I think we all know how much it costs for mods. Its not exactly rocket science to put on bolt on's.

700 for a tune? lmao! you can buy the software and do it yourself with a lm-1 wideband for cheaper. I would suggest you hang back and read up.

a gt 500 is a very heavy car which i'm sure you know right?

Again I would suggest you read and learn if you really want to learn about these engines and not brag about an import car unless you like drama.

peace

nanokpsi

You're an idiot.
I said intake+tune=700
The gt500 curb weight is under 4k, very close to the SS
I wasn't bragging about my car. I was responding to criticism and ignorace, both of which seem to be present here in equally large portions.

Chadder

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I'll agree with that. But seriously, let it go and let the thread get back on track.

UltraZLS1

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im not paying 8-900 for stainless. Ill go with the 400 dollar ceramic coated and get a 3 inch universal x pipe kit and some bullets, then have it custom fitted/bent. Same thing I did for my last car...sound and performance was second to none imo. 1000 bucks probably less.

back to topic..looks like they have some strong rod bolts and even strenghtened the block Also the injectors they come with are more than enough.

nanokpsi

I don't think the stock block will have any trouble keeping up with n/a stuff. The big motor just might still overwhelm it in a FI application. Seems like it wouldn't be hard to make 550+whp.