Bluhaven

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Is that 12.00 or 12.09 and 11.90 or 11.99, big difference?

Kevin

pancho toco loco

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Would love to have one as a daily

TheBlueKnight

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Wow. And on a tune and tire it runs 11.77? How much are these things out the door?

jackreggers

The Hyper Blue 2016 2SS Camaro that made these runs on Dec 5th ran 12.07 just as it came off the showroom floor. It ran the 12.07 with stock tires and then ran an 11.91 when the stock rear tires were replaced with DRs. No other modifications of any kind were made. Track scale weight was 3715 without driver and with the stock tires.

jackreggers

Timeslip - Hyper Blue 2016 2SS Camaro, Dec 5th, 12.07 run, stock tires.

jackreggers

Timeslip - Hyper Blue 2016 2SS Camaro, Dec 5th, 11.91 on DRs.

disc0monkey

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a 1ss without sunroof is almost 100lbs lighter. might be enough to get 11s bone stock

TheBlueKnight

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That's a bit odd to me. A 1.779 without DR's but a 1.731 with DR's? Seems like the DR's should have made a little more difference than that?

UltraZLS1

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It also trapped 119 with just a tune! This was also just a basic custom nitrous tune. It was shifting soft in the vid. No dedicated/proper tunes are available yet.

A 1ss starts at 37k. Auto is another 1500 or so. You are looking at about 40k otd if you get no discounts etc.

As far as the DR times he said another couple tenths were in it compared to the 11.9 run. Only got a few tries.

The stock 12.0 dr 11.9 car was a fully loaded 2ss. Plus additional larger front brakes. The driver was also 225 and he left a half tank of fuel in it.

I personally think a 1ss hero run at atco or englishtown totally bone stock will get as low as 11.8 or so. 11.5 bone stock with bigs n littles.

Corvettes have run ~11.4 bone stock and the 1ss is only about 300 lbs heavier. They are also putting down every bit of the same power if not more.

JosephIV

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I'm usually a bit Optimistic but I can't help feeling Pessimistic about the 2016 Camaro SS. It's a first model year for the 6th Gen so I'm worried that we'll hear horror stories about some previously unknown problem popping up in the first year of ownership. Somebody has to take the plunge but it's easier to do if you're a performance shop that's going to void the warranty anyway.

Regardless of what happens the car looks to be beyond promising. It remains to be seen if they can sell an SS base for the same price (or even competitively priced) as a 5.0 base.

UltraZLS1

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The lt1, 8 speed auto, 6 speed man and alpha platform have all been around a couple years. Hopefully it won't have too many issues.

Not sure how one can expect them to be priced the same. It blows the doors off even the PP GT in every metric. A base GT starts at 33 with all seasons and no brakes. The PP is 2500 bucks making the price difference 1500 bucks between the SS and GT.

So 1500 extra dollars to be a half second quicker in the quarter mile, Brake harder and turn sharper. Sounds ok to me...

The mustang offers a truly base car. A 1ss has summer tires, extra cooling and brembos on all 4 corners. This could prove to be a bad move as far as sales go. But I could honestly give a **** less as long as it sells enough to stay in production. I don't want the car on every street corner like the mustang faithful.

JosephIV

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I understand what you're saying, but there are a few 2016 Mustang GT's within an hour to two hours of me that are around 28k. The lowest starts at $26,999 at Sheehy Ford. That's no frills but it still gets you the V8 and six speed auto. There's a six speed for $27,715 at another dealership.

The Brembo package is over 3 grand on the SS. Good luck finding a 1SS with Brembos for under 40 Grand. You might find one, but the comparative GT will be more than your stated $1,500 cheaper.

You can get a Roushcharger (TVS 2300) bought and installed for around 8k. That gives you about 550 RWHP / 500 RWTQ on the stick shift car with a measly 8lbs of boost and very safe tune. Considering that you can do this for UNDER 40k the Mustang is the better deal IMO.

Yeah, the Camaro SS may be the better performing car out of the box, but I'm not budgeting for wheels/tires/exhaust/tune on a car that costs nearly 40k. I can easily do that for a Mustang GT that's 28k. Hell, I can buy the Mustang with a 401k loan and not sweat it. I have the money for the Camaro but it's in another price bracket. If I didn't have my WS6 I'd probably pull 20k from my 401k. I'd put 8k as a down payment on the Mustang and dump 12 grand into the Roushcharger, exhaust, and two sticky 18" tires. I'd drive it like that until the warranty was up then pulley it for more boost and get a custom tune.

Chevy is screwing the pooch AGAIN by not offering a V8 Camaro that can be had for anything near the Mustang GT pricing. I guarantee they would sell every 1SS if you could get one for $29,900 with silver 18" wheels, six speaker MP3, and standard AC / power accessories. I'd spend another 2 grand if it got you an oil cooler, HD clutch, and choice of performance gears. Oh well. The Mustang has kicked the Camaros *** in sales nearly all of its life with a few years (new model years mainly) being the exception. GM had better take notice of this.

disc0monkey

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All SS cars have brembos standard on all four corners. A better system than on the GT pp.

The brembo package your quoting for $3000 is six piston calipers and two piece rotors, that package is totally applesand oranges.

The standard SS brembos stop the car distances closer to a 911 then a GT

UltraZLS1

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Yep.

Standard equipment on SS is just as track capable as a PP GT for 1500 more. MSRP to MSRP. The tranny and clutch in the SS is also much better. And you can't even get a GT PP with auto.

They are close in braking from the tests I've seen. I haven't seen a test of the upgraded larger front brake option for the SS. But with the standard brakes on the camaro the GT with PP is comparable. The SS is brembo all around standard but the pp has 15 inch rotors in the front. Camaro is only 13.6. Depending on the review they go back and forth and are close in braking distances.
http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars...rd-mustang-gt/
In that review GT was better 60-0 but worse 80-0. Other reviews have the camaro stopping quicker besides this one.
Other than that handling and speed go to the camaro by far. Ouch... In that review the stang got walloped by bus lengths 12.4 to 13.2 lol. That's another time zone!

Better deals can be found on the GT right now for sure. Not gonna be many around for the new model camaro.

JosephIV

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Ah, I see. You guys are right, Brembos are standard on the SS.

Please don't think I'm knocking the Camaro. I've owned two Z28's but I've never been a fanboy of singular makes or models. I simply wish GM would Listen!!! Two blacks, two Reds, and two blues in the color palette. Meanwhile I can get an Orange PP GT with Recaros and Brembos for $34,000 "Holiday Pricing" at the dealership on my way to work and it's parked next to a green one without the performance package. Ugghhhhh! I'm just dreading seeing Camaros on the lot for $48,000-$51,000. When someone finds the lowest price on a 1SS I hope they post it.

ULTIMATEORANGESS

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while im satisfied with the deal i got on my 5th gen these cars are beyond crazy with how much they cost nowadays.




but,it is going to dominate the competition at least for the time being and if ford or chrysler decide to compete we can expect pricing to also get out of control from them also.

6th gens are fantastic cars but im predicting v8 models are while not going to be rare i think 4 and 6 cyl options will out SSs combined year to year.

HioSSilver

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It would be cool to see manufacturers offer a drag pak type car instead of this copo and cibra jet stuff.

JosephIV

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I've been saying something like that for years. It currently looks like the V6 is going to be near $30k. I want to see a Camaro in V6 trim but with the v8. Keep V6 brakes that will hopefully clear a 17 inch drag wheel setup. Make that a street driven COPO and be done with it. Very few people in this economy can afford to have a $48,000 pony car. Give us a stripper car alternative. They already do that with the "non sreet legal" COPO cars that millionaires buy.

GM thinks it's good to make a total of 69 COPO cars when they had over 3,000 buyers ready to buy and probably 5 times that number willing to buy a stripped down V8 street car if it's priced accordingly. Ford proved that by selling every stripper Mustang Notch in the 80's. The big three proved the same by selling buyer optioned stripped down muscle cars in the 60's and 70's. GM is too dumb to try it in 2015. What should I expect from the brand that killed off Hummer 5 years too late and still has GMC competing with its own Chevrolet brand.

UltraZLS1

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Pricing increase of 1300 across the board on all mustangs effective right now.

A GT PP is 200 dollars cheaper than a 1ss msrp to msrp.

ULTIMATEORANGESS

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if this is true this makes me wonder if ford was taking a loss on certain models to get a jump on sales over a 6th gen.



id be pissed if i was looking to buy a mustang and then ford jacks up prices out of nowhere.


at least GM was up front about a price increase. at least up to this point.