General LSX Automobile Discussion Non-technical LSX related topics.

octane and elevation...

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 05-18-2009, 08:01 AM
  #1  
TECH Junkie
Thread Starter
iTrader: (5)
 
teke184's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Key West, Florida
Posts: 3,183
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default octane and elevation...

not sure where to put this...so i figure non-tech may be as good as any...


brother in law mentioned that in Utah (salt lake city) he can only get 91octane gas. and he mentioned something about that being "better" for the higher altitude he's in, compared to 93 oct.

that caught me as a little odd. i would have thought the higher octane, better burning fuel would be better suited for the thinner air.

i realize some states only offer certain octanes as their "high test"...91, 92, or 93...hell i use to see 94 in NY.

why is that?
is one better for a particular "climate" or elevation?
Old 05-18-2009, 11:37 PM
  #2  
TECH Enthusiast
 
KENS_SS_4's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: NW burbs of Chicago
Posts: 510
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

The chance of seeing knock at higher elevations is reduced period. 91 or 93 do have different btu per gallon so you could see a little increase in mileage. I wouldn't call the lack of oxygen a benefit ever though.
Old 05-19-2009, 12:52 PM
  #3  
org
On The Tree
 
org's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Colorado
Posts: 157
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by teke184
not sure where to put this...so i figure non-tech may be as good as any...


brother in law mentioned that in Utah (salt lake city) he can only get 91octane gas. and he mentioned something about that being "better" for the higher altitude he's in, compared to 93 oct.

that caught me as a little odd. i would have thought the higher octane, better burning fuel would be better suited for the thinner air.

i realize some states only offer certain octanes as their "high test"...91, 92, or 93...hell i use to see 94 in NY.

why is that?
is one better for a particular "climate" or elevation?
The difference is that for each 1000 ft above sea level, your engine loses about 1" of manifold pressure due to the atmosperic pressure dropping at the same rate...so at 4000 you've lost a lot of cylinder pressure. Less manifold pressure results in less requirement for octane. It's not so much that 91 is "better" as that higher octane isn't needed and is not usable. In effect, it's almost like your throttle is being restricted from opening fully.

I had a '69 Firebird 400HO that had close to 11 to 1 compression. I had to be really careful in Florida, where I first owned it. Even the highest octane gas I could get (don't remember exactly, but I think 93) would result in pinging unless I backed off the timing. When I moved to Colorado at 6000 ft the 91 worked pretty well even with the timing advanced close to specs. The bad side is that the power is also down, but without forced induction there's nothing you can do about that.

Hope this makes sense.




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:28 AM.