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Old 08-31-2009, 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by davidadavila
i think its the motor having a nervous breakdown after it woke up and found itself in a mustang......
That's some good ****!


You absolutely CAN run with no O2 sensors but you have to be running a tune that is open loop only. So what does the tune look like? Stock? Need a little more info.
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In Tuesday I will do the dyno, I will give you the update. I will cancel the O2 sensor from pcm
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Originally Posted by Gaunt
Oh, good morning, time to get up and get, let's get this WHAT THE **** WHERE AM I HOLY ****.

SELF-DESTRUCT INITIATED.
LOL
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i have had zero problems runnning with no maf or o2's with speed density tunes...
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^^^^^^You are right but I assumed he was running a maf since he didn't list SD in mods. He later confirmed it. It is for sure the way to go in FI or max effort effort cars.
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You don't have to run in SD to delete the O2's, you just keep it in open loop.
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160 degree thremo will keep it in open loop correct?
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Originally Posted by 99corvette
160 degree thremo will keep it in open loop correct?


Well.....every 160* I have seen starts to open about 160* but does not fully open untill 170* which in essence makes it a 170* t-stat. I checked mine in a pot of water on the stove....

I think manufacturers call it that because that's what all the gen1 racers ran back in the day.
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My tuner told me that every car he has tuned with a 160 makes less power then the stock thermo. It runs rich cause its always in open loop.

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Originally Posted by 99corvette
160 degree thremo will keep it in open loop correct?
No, it goes into closed loop far before that.
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that or run a speed density tune?
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Originally Posted by NeedaV8foundation
that or run a speed density tune?
Old 09-01-2009, 06:59 PM
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I didnt know Dynos metered on a 20HP scale.
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I just came from the garage, one spark plug doesn't work at all and also one injector doesn't work. It needs to be cleared, it will take time to return it as stock, and 2nd injector work 50%. For the pressure it was 51psi, I think to tightening the return fuel line to increase the pressure because may be the line is big.
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Originally Posted by 99corvette
My tuner told me that every car he has tuned with a 160 makes less power then the stock thermo. It runs lean cause its always in open loop.
FYI-you need a new tuner then..........OL runs richer for safety reasons.....
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well not that bad, you're only ~150 hp short...
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Originally Posted by SOMbitch
FYI-you need a new tuner then.
Agreed. Nothing about that is right.

Originally Posted by black_phoenix
well not that bad, you're only ~150 hp short...
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Originally Posted by davidadavila
i think its the motor having a nervous breakdown after it woke up and found itself in a mustang......
Originally Posted by Gaunt
Oh, good morning, time to get up and get, let's get this WHAT THE **** WHERE AM I HOLY ****.

SELF-DESTRUCT INITIATED.
omfg that is some funny ****
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Originally Posted by 1986irocz28
omfg that is some funny ****
Agreed. one of the funniest things ive heard in a while.
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First off, no one in this thread so far knows about tuning other than NSSANE02. So be hesitant to take advice from everyone that replies.

What vehicle is the engine and PCM out of? Your pics from cardomain show a 241 head/ls6 intake which would suggest that the motor is from a 01-02 f-body, but you have a truck fuel rail. What injectors are you using? If you are using truck injectors that info needs to be changed in the tune or put the correct injectors/rail on the car.

You can fix the fuel pressure problem with a fuel pressure regulator or just adjust the flow rate in the tune. GM uses 58psi on the LSx style engines. And you probably need a bigger fuel pump.

You do NOT have to have O2s but the tune needs to be spot on or its gonna run like ****. And even if you do get it perfect it will vary with the weather. On a near stock setup it shouldn't be that big of a swing. If that's the case then a retune will be needed to correct the fueling.

Your dyno AFR doesn't really mean **** if you've got injectors/coils not working.

If your car is being tuned by someone who doesn't know all of this then you need to get a new tuner.

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