Non-T-top T/A?
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4th gen, yes. LS1, no.
1997 was the last year you could buy a hardtop Trans Am.
On the other hand, you could get an LS1 Formula as a hardtop.
1997 was the last year you could buy a hardtop Trans Am.
On the other hand, you could get an LS1 Formula as a hardtop.
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I've been a Firebird enthusiast for a number of years and have collected a number of books about the life (and death) of the car. I can't seem to find any information in any them to support or deny your statement.
As was stated in a previous post, the T-top option was standard for the Trans Am and Formula in 2001 & 2002, but I'm not so sure it was made manditory. In the Standard Catalog of Firebird 1967-2002 by John Gunnell, it states the the CC1 production code, removable hatch roof, was a $995 option in 2001 & 2002. To me, this reads as though you still had a choice.
In the same book, it states nothing about T-tops being standard for any of the Firebird models in the 1998-2000 models. But they were, again, a $995 option.
I'm not looking for an arguement. Far from it. I'm just very curious to find an accurate answer to this question that is supported by facts that can be proven.
Please, by all means, show me why you are correct and I will gladly accept it as fact.
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It's in the dealer brochure; that shows all the options. I'll see if I can find one online in the next 10 minutes.
This may have been the cover, I have one laying around the house somewhere.
![](http://www.oniva.com/upload/104/pontiac_02_ta.jpg)
But I'll second the no hardtop option for an LS1 TA. My Dad hates T-tops, but it's the only way he could get the last year Trans Am.
This may have been the cover, I have one laying around the house somewhere.
![](http://www.oniva.com/upload/104/pontiac_02_ta.jpg)
But I'll second the no hardtop option for an LS1 TA. My Dad hates T-tops, but it's the only way he could get the last year Trans Am.
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I'm curious where you found this information.
I've been a Firebird enthusiast for a number of years and have collected a number of books about the life (and death) of the car. I can't seem to find any information in any them to support or deny your statement.
As was stated in a previous post, the T-top option was standard for the Trans Am and Formula in 2001 & 2002, but I'm not so sure it was made manditory. In the Standard Catalog of Firebird 1967-2002 by John Gunnell, it states the the CC1 production code, removable hatch roof, was a $995 option in 2001 & 2002. To me, this reads as though you still had a choice.
In the same book, it states nothing about T-tops being standard for any of the Firebird models in the 1998-2000 models. But they were, again, a $995 option.
I'm not looking for an arguement. Far from it. I'm just very curious to find an accurate answer to this question that is supported by facts that can be proven.
Please, by all means, show me why you are correct and I will gladly accept it as fact.
I've been a Firebird enthusiast for a number of years and have collected a number of books about the life (and death) of the car. I can't seem to find any information in any them to support or deny your statement.
As was stated in a previous post, the T-top option was standard for the Trans Am and Formula in 2001 & 2002, but I'm not so sure it was made manditory. In the Standard Catalog of Firebird 1967-2002 by John Gunnell, it states the the CC1 production code, removable hatch roof, was a $995 option in 2001 & 2002. To me, this reads as though you still had a choice.
In the same book, it states nothing about T-tops being standard for any of the Firebird models in the 1998-2000 models. But they were, again, a $995 option.
I'm not looking for an arguement. Far from it. I'm just very curious to find an accurate answer to this question that is supported by facts that can be proven.
Please, by all means, show me why you are correct and I will gladly accept it as fact.
Also, I still have the dealer brochure from 1998 that lists T-tops as standard on Trans Am. I'll see if I can get a good pic of the page in a little bit....
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Alright, I tried my best to get readable pics of the brochure, this is all I could do with my limited equpitment. The first image shows the full page, the second image shows a close up of the section for "hatch roof with sunshades, removeable". You'll notice the second to the last column has an "S" for standard. That's the column for "Trans Am Coupe", in case you can see that in the first image.
This is the 1998 dealer brochure for Trans Am:
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This is the 1998 dealer brochure for Trans Am:
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Wow. Thanks RPM WS6.
Looks like Mr. Gunnell could have done a little more research before publishing his book.
Between getting ready for work this morning and taking care of some other things around the house, I've done a couple of searches on auto trader sites. I've yet to find one 98-02 T/A without T-tops (other than convertibles, of course).
Good job, man. Thanks for the proof.
Looks like Mr. Gunnell could have done a little more research before publishing his book.
Between getting ready for work this morning and taking care of some other things around the house, I've done a couple of searches on auto trader sites. I've yet to find one 98-02 T/A without T-tops (other than convertibles, of course).
Good job, man. Thanks for the proof.
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Wow. Thanks RPM WS6.
Looks like Mr. Gunnell could have done a little more research before publishing his book.
Between getting ready for work this morning and taking care of some other things around the house, I've done a couple of searches on auto trader sites. I've yet to find one 98-02 T/A without T-tops (other than convertibles, of course).
Good job, man. Thanks for the proof.
Looks like Mr. Gunnell could have done a little more research before publishing his book.
Between getting ready for work this morning and taking care of some other things around the house, I've done a couple of searches on auto trader sites. I've yet to find one 98-02 T/A without T-tops (other than convertibles, of course).
Good job, man. Thanks for the proof.
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Wow. Thanks RPM WS6.
Looks like Mr. Gunnell could have done a little more research before publishing his book.
Between getting ready for work this morning and taking care of some other things around the house, I've done a couple of searches on auto trader sites. I've yet to find one 98-02 T/A without T-tops (other than convertibles, of course).
Good job, man. Thanks for the proof.
Looks like Mr. Gunnell could have done a little more research before publishing his book.
Between getting ready for work this morning and taking care of some other things around the house, I've done a couple of searches on auto trader sites. I've yet to find one 98-02 T/A without T-tops (other than convertibles, of course).
Good job, man. Thanks for the proof.
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A usual RPM is right on the money. I ordered my Car in Jan 1998, I didn't want T-tops and I didn't want Leather (both standard equipment in T/A's) So I ended up getting a Base model Formula Coupe.
Also want to point out that according to these Production numbers http://lair.evyl.org/1998-Firebird_P...on_Numbers.htm. There were 2 hardtop Trans Am's built in 1998 (check the t-top vs total T/A coupe numbers) One of them (a white car with cloth interior) was on the cover of Car & Driver
Also want to point out that according to these Production numbers http://lair.evyl.org/1998-Firebird_P...on_Numbers.htm. There were 2 hardtop Trans Am's built in 1998 (check the t-top vs total T/A coupe numbers) One of them (a white car with cloth interior) was on the cover of Car & Driver
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A usual RPM is right on the money. I ordered my Car in Jan 1998, I didn't want T-tops and I didn't want Leather (both standard equipment in T/A's) So I ended up getting a Base model Formula Coupe.
Also want to point out that according to these Production numbers http://lair.evyl.org/1998-Firebird_P...on_Numbers.htm. There were 2 hardtop Trans Am's built in 1998 (check the t-top vs total T/A coupe numbers) One of them (a white car with cloth interior) was on the cover of Car & Driver
Also want to point out that according to these Production numbers http://lair.evyl.org/1998-Firebird_P...on_Numbers.htm. There were 2 hardtop Trans Am's built in 1998 (check the t-top vs total T/A coupe numbers) One of them (a white car with cloth interior) was on the cover of Car & Driver
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Guess anyone could "build" their own hardtop Trans Am by doing a TA conversion on a Formula.
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They were probably early release press cars. Good chance they were never sold to the public. Although, sometimes a GM employee ends up owning cars like that, and eventually they do work their way out to the collector world.
Guess anyone could "build" their own hardtop Trans Am by doing a TA conversion on a Formula.
Guess anyone could "build" their own hardtop Trans Am by doing a TA conversion on a Formula.
Also not many people know that they built 2 Formula convertibles in 1998. (the droptop Formula wasn't available after 1997)
Both of these Formula's were Red and WS6 equipped, one black top one white top one an Auto and one a manual. I don't remember all the specifics but one did fall throught the cracks and get sold to a private owner. The others where abouts are unknown.
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This, I was aware of.
This, I was not. Cool fact.
Rather than transmutating a hard top Formula into a Trans Am (
), you could simply remove the T-top roof and install a hard top from a donor Firebird or Camaro. Many have done the opposite to give themselves the T-top option. I'm sure the reverse wouldn't be anymore difficult to accomplish.
This thread is turning out to be very informative. We may just have the making's of a Sticky on our hands. ("sticky on our hands" LOL.)
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This thread is turning out to be very informative. We may just have the making's of a Sticky on our hands. ("sticky on our hands" LOL.)
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I know there was a white 1998 T/A hardtop on the cover of Car & Driver but from my digging through the compnine.com database the only two 1998 T/A's that come up without t-tops are vin number 00004 which is a red car with grey leather and a 6 speed, and number 00013 which is a black car with grey and an automatic.
There were also two cloth interior T/A's built, vin number 00001 was a sport gold T/A with neutral cloth and number 00008 was a silver T/A with grey cloth.
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There were also two cloth interior T/A's built, vin number 00001 was a sport gold T/A with neutral cloth and number 00008 was a silver T/A with grey cloth.
HTH,
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