I want to put a V6 in a 1998 TA
11-13-2010 | 05:20 PM
#41
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I know you said that the LS1 is destined to be swapped into the older 'Vette, but hear out this suggestion. Here's what I've gathered so far:
- The Vette needs a LS1 motor.
- The TA is free.
- You don't want your daughter having 350hp on tap.
- Your daughter is hooked on the TA.
- Accept TA from uncle and purchase a LS1 pullout for the Vette. (That car will be going under the knife anyway, and it just needs a LSx motor. Take the money from your $3,000 budget and purchase a motor/trans for the Vette. Now, you only have to do 1 motor swap, rather than two.)
- The issue remains of your daughter and horsepower, correct? See what this parent did: That is a Twin-Turbo LS1 TA "with a nut loaded on the throttle-arm to limit the throttle to only 1/2 power, because the owner can't handle the power." Problem solved. Cost? Free.
- Your daughter gets the car she wants, minus some horsepower, but gets a better looking, braking and reliable model. You have peace of mind that she's not going to have 300rwhp on tap, and is limited to v6 power that you feel good about. Your uncle looks like a champ, having just given someone their dream car, and the 'Vette gets the LS1 it needs. All this done with less work, money, and time--and arguably better results.
or just pull the LS1, sell the car, and use the money for something cheap and good in the snow, if it snows were you live
11-13-2010 | 05:50 PM
#42
If you are paying over $180 a month for liability on a 13 year old car it's because you done fucked up at some point lol. That or you're not shopping around enough. Pretty sure when I was 19 I could have had full coverage on a 95 Z28 for around $180 a month. $100 on a saturn is pretty bad to, I'm guessing an accident or some speeding tickets on your record?
11-13-2010 | 06:11 PM
#43
The insurance between my 94 Formula and 94 V6 Camaro was only a difference of about $200 a year. That was with state farm and full coverage, but I know all states are different in regards to that.
My SS is actually the same to insure as my Formula was.
My SS is actually the same to insure as my Formula was.
11-13-2010 | 06:33 PM
#44
v6 can still get her into some trouble. go with the 2.5 liter 4 cylinder iron duke.
it might make 100hp and over 120lb torque at the crank, so you might want to install a cage.
4 cylinder fbodies make awesome kids toys
it might make 100hp and over 120lb torque at the crank, so you might want to install a cage.
4 cylinder fbodies make awesome kids toys
11-13-2010 | 06:37 PM
#45
Your daughter gets the car she wants, minus some horsepower, but gets a better looking, braking and reliable model. You have peace of mind that she's not going to have 300rwhp on tap, and is limited to v6 power that you feel good about. Your uncle looks like a champ, having just given someone their dream car, and the 'Vette gets the LS1 it needs. All this done with less work, money, and time--and arguably better results.
11-14-2010 | 02:41 AM
#46
Be about as difficult as doing a V8 swap, just probably never done. Buying a V6 car shouldn't cost much more. You still would have to insure a V8 car even though it has a V6. I don't know if I could make it through a swap project knowing I was removing an LS1 for a V6 lol..
I would just set the rev limiter and speed limiter low as **** and pull timing
I would just set the rev limiter and speed limiter low as **** and pull timing
DM
11-14-2010 | 03:28 AM
#47
Like the above quoted post says, the VIN will dictate the insurance rate, so putting in a hamster wheel (or Honda motor) producing .18 horsepower won't make a difference-you'll pay T/A rates.
People will find ways of getting in trouble, especially young, inexperienced drivers. It doesn't matter if she's driving a miserable 100+ horsepower Ford Fiesta or a 500+ horsepower Ferrari F50. The key here is to educate, follow up, and hope the child in question listens and practices what they're taught.
Just scanning through the thread, I think the real goal here is getting the LS-1 into another car...JMHO
Good luck with your young one...
People will find ways of getting in trouble, especially young, inexperienced drivers. It doesn't matter if she's driving a miserable 100+ horsepower Ford Fiesta or a 500+ horsepower Ferrari F50. The key here is to educate, follow up, and hope the child in question listens and practices what they're taught.
Just scanning through the thread, I think the real goal here is getting the LS-1 into another car...JMHO
Good luck with your young one...
Last edited by myk; 11-14-2010 at 03:42 AM.
11-14-2010 | 04:06 AM
#49
Like the above quoted post says, the VIN will dictate the insurance rate, so putting in a hamster wheel (or Honda motor) producing .18 horsepower won't make a difference-you'll pay T/A rates.
People will find ways of getting in trouble, especially young, inexperienced drivers. It doesn't matter if she's driving a miserable 100+ horsepower Ford Fiesta or a 500+ horsepower Ferrari F50. The key here is to educate, follow up, and hope the child in question listens and practices what they're taught.
Just scanning through the thread, I think the real goal here is getting the LS-1 into another car...JMHO
Good luck with your young one...
People will find ways of getting in trouble, especially young, inexperienced drivers. It doesn't matter if she's driving a miserable 100+ horsepower Ford Fiesta or a 500+ horsepower Ferrari F50. The key here is to educate, follow up, and hope the child in question listens and practices what they're taught.
Just scanning through the thread, I think the real goal here is getting the LS-1 into another car...JMHO
Good luck with your young one...
I would say, tell her the same thing my parents told me. If you want that car, you save for it and pay everything yourself. If you can't afford it, then you get what we deem appropriate for you. Its a whole different ball game when a kid has to pay for their own stuff, hence my first car being a toyota celica. 10 years later and I still have never been in a wreck or did some stupid **** and damaged my own car, because I never got a helping hand in any of it. Just letting her have her dream car as her first car is a bad, bad idea. Thats my .02.
Side note: pics of the vette the LS1 is destined for?
11-14-2010 | 10:18 AM
#50
This is the truth. My niece managed to wreck 3 times and get more than 10 speeding tickets. In a 3cyl geo metro.
I would say, tell her the same thing my parents told me. If you want that car, you save for it and pay everything yourself. If you can't afford it, then you get what we deem appropriate for you. Its a whole different ball game when a kid has to pay for their own stuff, hence my first car being a toyota celica. 10 years later and I still have never been in a wreck or did some stupid **** and damaged my own car, because I never got a helping hand in any of it. Just letting her have her dream car as her first car is a bad, bad idea. Thats my .02.
Side note: pics of the vette the LS1 is destined for?
I would say, tell her the same thing my parents told me. If you want that car, you save for it and pay everything yourself. If you can't afford it, then you get what we deem appropriate for you. Its a whole different ball game when a kid has to pay for their own stuff, hence my first car being a toyota celica. 10 years later and I still have never been in a wreck or did some stupid **** and damaged my own car, because I never got a helping hand in any of it. Just letting her have her dream car as her first car is a bad, bad idea. Thats my .02.
Side note: pics of the vette the LS1 is destined for?
11-14-2010 | 10:27 AM
#51
This is the truth. My niece managed to wreck 3 times and get more than 10 speeding tickets. In a 3cyl geo metro.
I would say, tell her the same thing my parents told me. If you want that car, you save for it and pay everything yourself. If you can't afford it, then you get what we deem appropriate for you. Its a whole different ball game when a kid has to pay for their own stuff, hence my first car being a toyota celica. 10 years later and I still have never been in a wreck or did some stupid **** and damaged my own car, because I never got a helping hand in any of it. Just letting her have her dream car as her first car is a bad, bad idea. Thats my .02.
Side note: pics of the vette the LS1 is destined for?
I would say, tell her the same thing my parents told me. If you want that car, you save for it and pay everything yourself. If you can't afford it, then you get what we deem appropriate for you. Its a whole different ball game when a kid has to pay for their own stuff, hence my first car being a toyota celica. 10 years later and I still have never been in a wreck or did some stupid **** and damaged my own car, because I never got a helping hand in any of it. Just letting her have her dream car as her first car is a bad, bad idea. Thats my .02.
Side note: pics of the vette the LS1 is destined for?
11-14-2010 | 11:13 AM
#53
how about a v6 firebird, then find some used TA parts, ie front bumper and wing, and toss them on the bird. She would never know the difference. And it would be cheaper on insurance.
11-14-2010 | 12:45 PM
#54
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Oh gosh man, me too. Don't even get me started. My brother had a v6 1998 firebird and that motor was literally garbage. And it got about the same mpg as an LS1. I've also browsed the v6 forums quite a bit and those engine just have an unbelievable amount of gremlins, mechanical as well as electrical.
Haven't had any mechanical or electrical problems in 5+ years 60k miles I've owned my firebird so I'm sure its just like everyother car on the road. Some people have bad luck and others abuse there car so bad they constantly fall apart on them.
11-14-2010 | 12:52 PM
#55
It seems the OP is trying to create as much work as possible. Numerous people have given good advice, I'm not sure what the debate is even about. Going through the hassle of swapping another engine into the TA is ridiculous. Buy a V6 car or just have the LS1 detuned.
11-14-2010 | 01:56 PM
#58
Yeah, who ever says that the 3.8's are garbage are completely wrong. I realize that some generations of them have problems with electrical problems, but that 3.8 is a bullet proof engine....one of the reasons GM used it in various configurations for about 20 years.
11-14-2010 | 04:21 PM
#59
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A couple of you folks have completely missed some relevant information.
The TA would be a gift, the LS1 is not mine and destined for the Vette. I can either take the car or it goes to the wrecking yard. So if the TA is sitting in my drive, I can either re-power it and she can have the car wants with a known history; or, I can sell the TA and search for a Firebird.
Reading through all the responses it sure as heck sounds like a re-power is a waste of money and time. And if ya'll are being honest from experience, that is exactly what I need. It will be much easier telling my Uncle I would be happy to have the car and my plan would be to either part it out or try to trade it off for a V6 Firebird.
I think that would minimize any hard feelings...
Besides, I would rather drop in a VW Jetta TDI............KIDDING
The TA would be a gift, the LS1 is not mine and destined for the Vette. I can either take the car or it goes to the wrecking yard. So if the TA is sitting in my drive, I can either re-power it and she can have the car wants with a known history; or, I can sell the TA and search for a Firebird.
Reading through all the responses it sure as heck sounds like a re-power is a waste of money and time. And if ya'll are being honest from experience, that is exactly what I need. It will be much easier telling my Uncle I would be happy to have the car and my plan would be to either part it out or try to trade it off for a V6 Firebird.
I think that would minimize any hard feelings...
Besides, I would rather drop in a VW Jetta TDI............KIDDING
11-14-2010 | 05:12 PM
#60
Well you say you dont have a whole lot of money to throw at it. So my suggestion is find a 98+ firebird. That 3800 Series II motor is right around 200 horsepower, maybe a bit more. Throw a Trans Am rear spoiler on it. call it good. You will save on insurance, keep your daughter safe, and you can meet in the middle on what she wants. Once she has proved herself to be responsible enough to handle what she has, get one of the superchargers off the Buick Regals, that should put her a bit over 300 horsepower. When she graduates, Get her an LS1 car with some mileage. You can get one for less than 5k. Hell if you sold the V6 I bet you would have enough to get into an LS1 car. If she doesnt like the plan, buy her a Cavalier and call it good. Personally I would never let one of my kids have a sports car for their first car.
Stephen
Stephen