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03-08-2011, 06:53 AM
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Actually, a stripped model or 1LE will go for more than a fully optioned Camaro since it is basically a factory built race car and very rare. The best deals will be on LT1 Camaros, 93-97. But if you can get an LS1, your miles ahead in technology.
BTW, don't remember who said an M6 car didn't come with 3:42's, that is wrong, my 2002 Z28 came with an M6 and 3:42's which I though was ridiculous since you never even used 6th gear. I have seen many with this combo as GM has stated the 3:42 ring and pinion and the strongest gears.
BTW, don't remember who said an M6 car didn't come with 3:42's, that is wrong, my 2002 Z28 came with an M6 and 3:42's which I though was ridiculous since you never even used 6th gear. I have seen many with this combo as GM has stated the 3:42 ring and pinion and the strongest gears.
03-15-2011, 07:24 PM
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I have an LS1 convertible but I wanna keep it more a street car. Just wandering what kind of perks those may be? I wouldn't mind building a hardtop lt1 camaro if it would save me money on buying and building a hardtop ls1
03-15-2011, 07:28 PM
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Not to hate on the LS1's by any means, but LT1 camaro's (93-97 Z28 or SS cars) have incrediable bang for the buck too-mainly because they're less expensive to begin with and not all that much slower than an LS1 car. Find a clean car (doesn't necessarily mean low miles) with some bolt ons already on it and you can have an 11 second LT1 Camaro for less than 7k easy if you play your cards right and can do some of your own work. Cam/nitrous LT1 car would be a great bang for your buck and tons of fun.
Aaaallll depends on how fast you wanna go, and how much you wanna spend
Aaaallll depends on how fast you wanna go, and how much you wanna spend
LT1 motors don't respond quite as well to mods as an LS motor, but they can still be made incrediably fast and respectable for a small amount of money. 93-97 cars do have some perks over LS cars too tho-the 98-02's aren't better in every single way like many think.
03-16-2011, 12:01 AM
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BTW, don't remember who said an M6 car didn't come with 3:42's, that is wrong, my 2002 Z28 came with an M6 and 3:42's which I though was ridiculous since you never even used 6th gear. I have seen many with this combo as GM has stated the 3:42 ring and pinion and the strongest gears.
03-16-2011, 12:44 AM
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98-02 f-body with converter, gears, good drag radials, and stock engine with nitrous should get 11's easy and be pretty street manners and emissions legal.
LT1 is not a friendly engine for a novice LS1 is real friendly and easy to work on engine. 93-97 Camaro's will only save about 2,000 dollars if buying a used decent example and cannot make up for performance unless you just want to run a dry nitrous kit and sticky tires with nothing else.
I had a friend with an Escort we broke it in one night driving the transmission can't handle power.
If I only planned on a street car even though this is a LS1 site I would choose a 1G DSM AWD GSX . It only takes injectors, dsmlink, clutch, and a boost controller to give the power most teenagers and inexperienced racers demand for fun on the street. You can have boost with a 325-350whp car easily in awd. I have a 2g for a daily driver and it is amazing how stock it drives with the power it feels to give out. The track times are not very impressive though unless you get serious on them. 1g gsx eclipse in good condition are extinct though good luck finding a good one.
If you want a fast stock car that will make fun of others you should choose a Camaro or Firebird with an Ls1 because you can get one for 5000 and you have lots of room to grow. If you want a car that beats all your friends and is just to say I have a faster car there are many choices but you should always choose a car that has its roots in performance. A Escort, Civic, Celica, or any other FWD car will likely give bad results no matter how much money and innovation you put in it.
if I had it all over again and wanted a street camaro I would have put on Thunder Racing's cheater package with AFR heads and cam, left the stock exhaust manifolds with a performance exhaust, converter, drag radials, and some good suspension. I want to drive my car and in California emissions are everything. An 11 second street car will match a ferrari and be fast enough to be lots of fun.
I make fun of four cylinders in my four cylinder a normal car with a four cylinder and no turbo rwd/awd does not make sense for speed.
LT1 is not a friendly engine for a novice LS1 is real friendly and easy to work on engine. 93-97 Camaro's will only save about 2,000 dollars if buying a used decent example and cannot make up for performance unless you just want to run a dry nitrous kit and sticky tires with nothing else.
I had a friend with an Escort we broke it in one night driving the transmission can't handle power.
If I only planned on a street car even though this is a LS1 site I would choose a 1G DSM AWD GSX . It only takes injectors, dsmlink, clutch, and a boost controller to give the power most teenagers and inexperienced racers demand for fun on the street. You can have boost with a 325-350whp car easily in awd. I have a 2g for a daily driver and it is amazing how stock it drives with the power it feels to give out. The track times are not very impressive though unless you get serious on them. 1g gsx eclipse in good condition are extinct though good luck finding a good one.
If you want a fast stock car that will make fun of others you should choose a Camaro or Firebird with an Ls1 because you can get one for 5000 and you have lots of room to grow. If you want a car that beats all your friends and is just to say I have a faster car there are many choices but you should always choose a car that has its roots in performance. A Escort, Civic, Celica, or any other FWD car will likely give bad results no matter how much money and innovation you put in it.
if I had it all over again and wanted a street camaro I would have put on Thunder Racing's cheater package with AFR heads and cam, left the stock exhaust manifolds with a performance exhaust, converter, drag radials, and some good suspension. I want to drive my car and in California emissions are everything. An 11 second street car will match a ferrari and be fast enough to be lots of fun.
I make fun of four cylinders in my four cylinder a normal car with a four cylinder and no turbo rwd/awd does not make sense for speed.
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03-16-2011, 01:22 AM
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turbo the "scort". loads of us here love running up with cars like that on the street lol
in all seriousness, if you waste 4 grand turboing an escort then get your *** kicked by a stock ls1 your gonna be kicking yourself, and wishing you had bought a mildly modded ls1 car of your own.
in all seriousness, if you waste 4 grand turboing an escort then get your *** kicked by a stock ls1 your gonna be kicking yourself, and wishing you had bought a mildly modded ls1 car of your own.
03-16-2011, 01:51 AM
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haterz gonna hate
I guess was i ment was like best bang for buck. I'm looking at about 7k to play with with money ive saved up and my tax return. right now im thinking either a v8 camaro or turbo the scort. learning more to camoros i think im getting old of the 4 bangers. need to get v8
I guess was i ment was like best bang for buck. I'm looking at about 7k to play with with money ive saved up and my tax return. right now im thinking either a v8 camaro or turbo the scort. learning more to camoros i think im getting old of the 4 bangers. need to get v8
btw theres nothing wrong with an lt1 or lt4 93 to 97 camaro.. get an ss cheap..
03-16-2011, 08:09 AM
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Not to hate on the LS1's by any means, but LT1 camaro's (93-97 Z28 or SS cars) have incrediable bang for the buck too-mainly because they're less expensive to begin with and not all that much slower than an LS1 car. Find a clean car (doesn't necessarily mean low miles) with some bolt ons already on it and you can have an 11 second LT1 Camaro for less than 7k easy if you play your cards right and can do some of your own work. Cam/nitrous LT1 car would be a great bang for your buck and tons of fun..
03-16-2011, 09:14 AM
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turbo the "scort". loads of us here love running up with cars like that on the street lol
in all seriousness, if you waste 4 grand turboing an escort then get your *** kicked by a stock ls1 your gonna be kicking yourself, and wishing you had bought a mildly modded ls1 car of your own.
in all seriousness, if you waste 4 grand turboing an escort then get your *** kicked by a stock ls1 your gonna be kicking yourself, and wishing you had bought a mildly modded ls1 car of your own.
03-16-2011, 03:36 PM
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As for the "scort:, I learned the hard way NOT to sink money into a slow car trying to make it fast. The success stories are great but most of the guys that pull it off will attest that it wasn't a "cheap" ordeal.
$7K will get you behind the wheel of a relatively nice Camaro Z28 or Trans Am. Mods only net the sellers pennies on the dollar, so feel free to look for ones that already have some of the basic mods and you're already ahead of the game. Realistically you shouldn't have too much trouble finding a LSx or LT1 car capable of running 12's (perhaps 11's) at the track for $7K.
$7K will get you behind the wheel of a relatively nice Camaro Z28 or Trans Am. Mods only net the sellers pennies on the dollar, so feel free to look for ones that already have some of the basic mods and you're already ahead of the game. Realistically you shouldn't have too much trouble finding a LSx or LT1 car capable of running 12's (perhaps 11's) at the track for $7K.
03-17-2011, 06:26 AM
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That couldnt be any furthur from the truth...Ive owned a few of both and the LS1 is much faster out the gate..man I cringe when I think back in the day how an old buddies stock 99ss yanked my full bolt on / geared LT1 like I was sitting still @ mid/higher rpms.
03-17-2011, 07:07 AM
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NOTE: PLEASE let's not turn this into a LT1 v. LS1 thread.
