Installed 222/226 cam and ls6 intake ls6 did nothing for me
04-22-2012, 06:10 PM
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Bull ****. That's why I told him to take it to the track and not race dynos.
My car makes what "bolt on cars make" and I raced one of the bolt on cars that supposedly dynos the same as me and put 10+ car lengths on him...
Dyno racing is for internet kiddies.
04-22-2012, 07:47 PM
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I have basically the same cam custom specd to pass smog in CA. when i dynod cam only, with a lid and catback i made 365 rwhp and 345 lb ft. After the headers and catted y, i dynoed 391/365 SAE corrected. I think its your tuner, but then again you are an automatic, and i'm a manual trans. M6's make more power for sure.
04-23-2012, 02:48 AM
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Agreed. I'd put my money on the Yank over the TCI in terms of efficiency any day.
04-23-2012, 09:57 AM
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I have basically the same cam custom specd to pass smog in CA. when i dynod cam only, with a lid and catback i made 365 rwhp and 345 lb ft. After the headers and catted y, i dynoed 391/365 SAE corrected. I think its your tuner, but then again you are an automatic, and i'm a manual trans. M6's make more power for sure.
I love my Yank don't get me wrong I'm just tossing idea;s around I wouldn't trade my Yank for a TCI either regardless :-)
04-23-2012, 02:30 PM
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See I'm at 358.9rwhp and that is with no heads and automatic you take off 20% vs 6 speed 13-15 % I was told that those are the #'s so I would say I am pretty close to what it makes it did make 361 at 1 point but we brought down the shift point at 61 -6200 instead of 6400 at 6400 I was told nthe ls1 doesn't like anything over 6400rpm
04-23-2012, 11:23 PM
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The basic problem comes from comparing your car to another. The original post led me to believe that you dynoed both intakes on your car and saw no gains. That would be an unusual result. But the fact that your car dynoes the same as an equivalently modded car with an LS1 intake is null. You can't compare one car's dyno results to another's - except for bench racing purposes.
04-23-2012, 11:55 PM
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This is interesting, and I'm sure it must be accurate info as Jimmyblue is always extremely thorough and detailed. Were any other converters compared for efficiency as part of this evaluation? I'm curious to see where the rankings would stand for a given case size/stall speed from the major players.
04-24-2012, 01:10 AM
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See I'm at 358.9rwhp and that is with no heads and automatic you take off 20% vs 6 speed 13-15 % I was told that those are the #'s so I would say I am pretty close to what it makes it did make 361 at 1 point but we brought down the shift point at 61 -6200 instead of 6400 at 6400 I was told nthe ls1 doesn't like anything over 6400rpm
04-24-2012, 01:12 AM
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Not all converters are created equal, even from the same manufacturer. I'm pretty sure Yank's huge SS line gives up some on WOT efficiency for its hard hitting nature off the line and ease of driving around town. On the other hand a different spec'd converter can be loose at part throttle, hit softer at the line and pull like a MF on the back end. Its all in the design of the converter. They can tailor them to suit your needs/driving style. I think Jimmy's converter he spec'd for efficiency in mind and I'm pretty the one he runs is a Fuddle. I have heard him talk about it many times.
04-24-2012, 08:03 AM
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no **** lol.......welcome to LS1Tech bro!!! 
very true.........however if you get a dyno operator that knows his equipment and will take the time to set it up correctly it will read accuratly......now the odds of that happening.......virtually 0
See I'm at 358.9rwhp and that is with no heads and automatic you take off 20% vs 6 speed 13-15 % I was told that those are the #'s so I would say I am pretty close to what it makes it did make 361 at 1 point but we brought down the shift point at 61 -6200 instead of 6400 at 6400 I was told nthe ls1 doesn't like anything over 6400rpm again dont race dyno's........i agree the OP's number is a bit low.....whether its a tune issue or just possibly a camshaft that is overrated by the LS1tech crowd......regardless dont race dynos......there are far too many variables to be able to compare one to the next.....not only do variables exisit in the car (tire pressure/wheel size/wheel weight/sidewall stifness/gear ratio/parasitic loss via rear end/dshaft/coverter weight/efficency/oil temps/trans temps/gear oil temps) but there are variables in the accuracy of the calibration of the weather systems on the dynos to accuratlely correct the number to a 0 DA sea level number......again FAR too many variables........explain this one to me......my LT1 car rolled 430rwhp last time i had it on a dyno for TUNING purposes only......everybody laughed at me cause it was so loud and radical and made such a low number.......yet we were all at the track the following day and i stomp conistant 9.9x-10.0x @ 133-135 all day with car at 3300lbs and everybody is looking at me like i got 6 heads........430rwhp i think not.........
DONT RACE DYNOS!!!! lol
See I'm at 358.9rwhp and that is with no heads and automatic you take off 20% vs 6 speed 13-15 % I was told that those are the #'s so I would say I am pretty close to what it makes it did make 361 at 1 point but we brought down the shift point at 61 -6200 instead of 6400 at 6400 I was told nthe ls1 doesn't like anything over 6400rpm
DONT RACE DYNOS!!!! lol
04-24-2012, 08:37 AM
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This is interesting, and I'm sure it must be accurate info as Jimmyblue is always extremely thorough and detailed. Were any other converters compared for efficiency as part of this evaluation? I'm curious to see where the rankings would stand for a given case size/stall speed from the major players.
Coincidentally, I used to run a TCI 3000 against my buddies indentically modded T/A with a SS3200 and gave up nothing to him.
04-24-2012, 12:51 PM
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Thanks man no **** lol.......welcome to LS1Tech bro!!!
very true.........however if you get a dyno operator that knows his equipment and will take the time to set it up correctly it will read accuratly......now the odds of that happening.......virtually 0
again dont race dyno's........i agree the OP's number is a bit low.....whether its a tune issue or just possibly a camshaft that is overrated by the LS1tech crowd......regardless dont race dynos......there are far too many variables to be able to compare one to the next.....not only do variables exisit in the car (tire pressure/wheel size/wheel weight/sidewall stifness/gear ratio/parasitic loss via rear end/dshaft/coverter weight/efficency/oil temps/trans temps/gear oil temps) but there are variables in the accuracy of the calibration of the weather systems on the dynos to accuratlely correct the number to a 0 DA sea level number......again FAR too many variables........explain this one to me......my LT1 car rolled 430rwhp last time i had it on a dyno for TUNING purposes only......everybody laughed at me cause it was so loud and radical and made such a low number.......yet we were all at the track the following day and i stomp conistant 9.9x-10.0x @ 133-135 all day with car at 3300lbs and everybody is looking at me like i got 6 heads........430rwhp i think not.........
DONT RACE DYNOS!!!! lol
very true.........however if you get a dyno operator that knows his equipment and will take the time to set it up correctly it will read accuratly......now the odds of that happening.......virtually 0
again dont race dyno's........i agree the OP's number is a bit low.....whether its a tune issue or just possibly a camshaft that is overrated by the LS1tech crowd......regardless dont race dynos......there are far too many variables to be able to compare one to the next.....not only do variables exisit in the car (tire pressure/wheel size/wheel weight/sidewall stifness/gear ratio/parasitic loss via rear end/dshaft/coverter weight/efficency/oil temps/trans temps/gear oil temps) but there are variables in the accuracy of the calibration of the weather systems on the dynos to accuratlely correct the number to a 0 DA sea level number......again FAR too many variables........explain this one to me......my LT1 car rolled 430rwhp last time i had it on a dyno for TUNING purposes only......everybody laughed at me cause it was so loud and radical and made such a low number.......yet we were all at the track the following day and i stomp conistant 9.9x-10.0x @ 133-135 all day with car at 3300lbs and everybody is looking at me like i got 6 heads........430rwhp i think not.........
DONT RACE DYNOS!!!! lol
My other buddy did the Lunati cam Voodoo 224/228 113lsa and he dynoed at 353rwhp with ls6 ported heads He will be going back to get it checked out because he jsut added headers so that should bring him to over 360rwhp.
This EPS CAM is kick *** to me we both did higher # than a comparable cam without heads so I am happy I was just really wondering why so much difference between cars and you answered that I have 18's with 295's in the back so that should bring it down a bit plus it was very humid that so bottom line I'm a happy camper I more wondering why the difference plus my buddy satrtde with 303rwhp and I started with 313 and we ended up 5rwhp different sa that tells me we are in the range of what it can do :-)
Thanks for all the feedback !!!!!
04-25-2012, 11:07 PM
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Mines had dynoed at 313rwhp before the headers and cam and afterwards dyned 363 still with the ls1 intake, shift points are set at 6400rpms, that's what dual springs and titanium retainers are for, LS1 won't like shifts points too high on stock springs 
With the LS6 intake you should be at around the 370s, take it to the track and see if it traps 115-116, don't know what your gears are though.
With the LS6 intake you should be at around the 370s, take it to the track and see if it traps 115-116, don't know what your gears are though.
08-20-2012, 04:42 PM
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huh, i hope theres somthing wrong, cause i got the opposite right now. i have a stock 98 LS1, 3200 stall, LS6 intake manifold, LTH, and a frost tune and managed 301RWHP on a dyno with 6000 being my rpm limit for now.... i too was disappointed with my dyno numbers, but the car FEELS totally different. in a good way
i hope with a moderatly sized 224r cam im looking into should get me at least 340RWHP with a slightbetter actual dyno tune.
i hope with a moderatly sized 224r cam im looking into should get me at least 340RWHP with a slightbetter actual dyno tune.
08-21-2012, 01:32 AM
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i know, and realistically, a stalled auto is always going to dyno lower then a M6. the track is where it will really make a differentce. a good bolt on car alone should be around 300-330ish with a stall at the wheels on a dyno. Enginewise is another story.
however that being said, the op had a 226 sized cam that should be 40ish more HP over stock with an LS6 intake... and he has the same number as ME!! i dont have a cam. somthing isdefinitly wrong.
however that being said, the op had a 226 sized cam that should be 40ish more HP over stock with an LS6 intake... and he has the same number as ME!! i dont have a cam. somthing isdefinitly wrong.
