blackbyrd

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500 RWHP is fun for what it worth hhaha. But, my perspective.........that kind of power is difficult to do anything with on the streets, but I also live in a small town. Its just difficult to unleash without attracting the wrong type of attention.

blackandgold

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I wish I had a good justification for the goal of 500rwhp...but I don't. It's a cool number to hit and I can laugh at people who are making low numbers like 490rwhp. That being said it's not like any of the parts on the car were bought with practical justifications so I guess I'm sticking with a trend?

I guess the point of the thread was to figure out if 500rwhp, for $7k and reliable enough to drive 10 hours with the AC on is realistic. Seems like the answer is if I'm willing to boost the stock block maybe, but for an NA build probably not. I also sort of expected that the budget was on the low end.

blackbyrd

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oh I completely got hung up on a number with my 414, at the time it was my first build and I wanted 550 to the wheels with no justification other than grabbing an arbitrary number to hit cause I could......on a strictly street car its pretty much useless horsepower. maybe it would be different if the car was quieter? I said if I were to do anoher one 450 would likely be my cut off. The torque though.......thats kind of fun especially in he city, you can run a gear up 4k be in good power and not give to much away. my setup has 400ftlbs at 3k so it moves when you burp through a gear which is fun, but the GTO feels similar to a point, I think its just the added cubes making extra torque. I dont have any dyno numbers on it

blackandgold

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Well see now the problem is I got my first of 3 official quotes I was waiting on...and I'm very seriously considering slapping a procharger on the stock engine.

ddnspider

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Now youre getting it. Go D1SC and have plenty of room to grow in the future. P1SC taps out about 550-600whp.

blackandgold

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So *if* I go this route I guess at a minimum:
-procharger kit (D1SC)
-fuel system upgrades
-longtubes (finally)

Is there anything that I should seriously consider right off the bat to make sure I don't grenade the motor right off the bat? It's a '99 so it has literally the worst LS manifold, but I'm not sure how important that is with boost.

HCI2000SS

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Throw some nitrous at it. A fraction of the cost and you'll still hit your goals. You getting quotes from local shops here in MI?

ddnspider

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A P1 will get you to 600whp when fully built, so a D1SC isn't mandatory but they are better at resale and will flow more with a way higher ceiling. People have made 800whp on a D1SC.

For fuel system on a boosted setup:
-Stock rails and regulator
-A 255 intank is good to about 500w, some get 550whp. A 340 will take you to 600w or a little over. A 450 is good for 600+ on 93 pump.
-60lb Siemens injectors.
-Preferrably a hot wire kit since it's cheap and helps the pump keep constant power/pressure.

Exhaust-
-You don't HAVE to do anything, but will see big gains from longtubes and a full exhaust. Read more power at less boost. Speed engineering 1 7/8 and a y is like $350.
-Keep whatever catback you have and put a cheap cutout on it.

I am a fan of doing some type of valve spring but for low boost it's not required. Even something like the ls2/ls6 springs are cheap and will help prevent valve float.

I would suggest skipping any fans offered with the blower kit and go straight to dual Derale 16925 pusher fans. Best money youll ever spend on keeping the car cool in whatever weather. Do it once and forget it.

blackandgold

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Honestly not feeling a nitrous setup, maybe if I get into straight line racing more, but not for now. Yeah getting quotes from MI shops, so far I've heard back from Livernois on a stroker build that honestly isn't realistic at this point and I'm talking with Meadows about boost right now.

HCI2000SS

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Have you tried Vector/Car Guys in Brighton? They're not?far from you

blackandgold

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I threw up a post on the Woodward FB page and their name didn't come up. I'll give them a call tomorrow, thanks!

blackandgold

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@hci2000ss any strong opinions on Motorcity speed? They gave me a super reasonable estimate on a procharger setup.

HCI2000SS

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Motorcity Speed out of Walled Lake? If so, I'm not real familiar with them, but i've heard good things

blackandgold

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Yeah those guys, I'm waiting on an official quote from them. I heard back from Vector today and I'm waiting on an official quote via email, but it was reasonable so hopefully they get me that quote soon. And hopefully we can get a year out of the stock LS1 on 6-7PSI

ddnspider

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Long as the tune is good it'll last (assuming no fluke failure of a pump/injector).

blackandgold

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That's sort of what I figured, this also gives me an opportunity to run a sweet looking FMIC even if it's only with 6-7psi

Jenson

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Sell the FAB9, you dont need it for auto-x and cruising. Pull the LS1 and sell it. Now you should have enough cash to swap in an LS3.

Or keep and rebuild the bottom end on the LS1, adding a set of wiseco +4cc tru street pistons. Throw in a 228ish cam, some decent 243 heads, ported LS6 intake, speed engineering LT's and full true dual exhasut, and it should make 400/400 all day.

Tuskyz28

A 402ci LS2 with the right heads will run 10s with ease. Ask me how I know what I'm talking about ? If you can go 416ci... go that route. 6.2 blocks are just really expensive.

My LS2 isn't a stroker just yet but she will be here soon. Anyway my buddie has a 6 speed WS6 with s 402ci with tfs 235s out the box with a custom cut Pat G cam. Car run 10.4s at 130 plus and he drives it back and toward to the track. Car still have full leather interior as well.

Its also another 402ci camaro on board here that run 10.7s with AFR 225s out the box. 6 speed car again.

The heads, cam, intake will make or break any combo.

blackandgold

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The FAB9 is too pretty to sell

For anyone who is interested, after back and forth with 5 different shops I dropped a deposit with Vector Motorsports this morning for a D1SC procharger kit and kooks longtubes plus a dyno tune of course.

ddnspider

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Congrats man, good choice. Way more room to grow than a heads cam or stroker setup. When you feel like it build a 5.3 or something later on and make more power.