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Are cams "bolt-ons"?
10-10-2006, 11:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Toxic Texan
Who me???? 
I say heads, cam, 9", slicks and you should still claim to be stock.
That's what they do in Houston.
Good ol' "Houston stock."
10-11-2006, 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Starz T/A 17
WOW I think everyone who reads this is now dumber and lost at least 5 IQ points after reading this.... 
NOO!! and I have SAT's on saturday, so much for college, damn you ls1tech!!!
haha 
Maybe I can put it all back in 
Nope don't think it worked 
10-18-2006, 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Stanger88
You, dear sir, have never messed with DSM's 
Cams are not bolt ons, no matter what the application is.
10-18-2006, 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by TransAminal
Still gotta pull the motor apart to access the valvetrain, even if it is only the valve cover that needs to be removed. By that same concept you could say "well I only need to remove the oil pan to access the crank". Its just not reasonable.
Cams are not bolt ons, no matter what the application is.
Cams are not bolt ons, no matter what the application is.
10-18-2006, 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Stanger88
You need to pull the balancer to do underdrive pullies on an LS1, thats more involved than a valve cover imho. I dont see your point. You also must pull the springs out from under the car to change shocks, I consider shocks a bolt-on. On a mustang GT 4.6L you must un-bolt a motor-mount and jack the motor up to install LT's, going price for labor alone is $500+ at Dallas Mustang for that. I think that a cam-swap in a DSM is a bolt-on. Thats like saying you have to remove your lid to change the air filter so its not a bolt-on. Valve covers arent hard to pull...
Obviously the valve covers are not hard to pull - but you are still modifying internal engine parts. Therefore it is not considered a bolt on, because its not a mod to the externals of the engine.
Thats my opinion as well as the general consensus, I think most on here will agree.
Last edited by TransAminal; 10-18-2006 at 08:15 PM.
10-18-2006, 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by TransAminal
I see your point, but all the examples you provided are for external engine components. Shocks are not even part of the engine. They are not engine internals, cams are.
Obviously the valve covers are not hard to pull - but you are still modifying internal engine parts. Therefore it is not considered a bolt on, because its not a mod to the externals of the engine.
Thats my opinion as well as the general consensus, I think most on here will agree.
Obviously the valve covers are not hard to pull - but you are still modifying internal engine parts. Therefore it is not considered a bolt on, because its not a mod to the externals of the engine.
Thats my opinion as well as the general consensus, I think most on here will agree.
"Bolt on" - There is nothing stating or implying an external nature. For instance "bolts onto the exhaust manifold"(header) Or, "Bolts on to the head" (DSM cam). Most DSM forums will tell you that a cam(s) in their cars is a bolt-on mod and can be done in less time than it takes you to do LT's in some cases.
http://www.dsmtalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17830
If the LS6 PCV is a bolt-on then so is that ^ . Period.
Yep, that is in the "External" section if you look where it's posted...a helluva lot more than a valve cover gets taken off there, I belive its the intake and it takes longer than a DSM cam swap too.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthrea...hlight=LS6+PCV
(ok, fine dammit, I just enjoy arguing, but I think I have a strong case!!!)
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10-19-2006, 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Dal1as
Procharger on an LS1 is real easy to install. I'm going to get one and call it a bolt on.
Bolt ons are not all about ease of install. A cam is not a bolt on. Period.
Bolt ons are not all about ease of install. A cam is not a bolt on. Period.