View Poll Results: Are Cams a "bolt-on"?
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Are cams "bolt-ons"?
#61
Originally Posted by Dal1as
Procharger on an LS1 is real easy to install. I'm going to get one and call it a bolt on.
Bolt ons are not all about ease of install. A cam is not a bolt on. Period.
Bolt ons are not all about ease of install. A cam is not a bolt on. Period.
Some s/c setups are bolt-on. But other aren't becuause of the need to upgrade fuel injectors, tune, intercooler, relocation of accessories, etc.
#64
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Originally Posted by DansRedz28
boltons are what they sound like!!!! Now if there was something called boltin's then you might have something
they are bolt ons.
#65
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Didn't know some people had such wild ideas about what a bolt-on is... or is not.
The way I was raised learning how to modify cars was that basically if the part touches engine oil, it's internal and is NOT a "bolt-on". There are a few additional parameters, but that one sums it up fairly well. Other parameters considered to be conventional wisdom is that not only is a "bolt-on" mod external, but also that it is something fairly simple, not involving a big install project.
Things like ignition systems, cold air kits, IAT relocators, throttle bodies, underdrive pullies, cat-backs, even headers. Poly mounts, simple suspension swaps like LCA's or panhard bars, torque arms, etc.
The way I was raised learning how to modify cars was that basically if the part touches engine oil, it's internal and is NOT a "bolt-on". There are a few additional parameters, but that one sums it up fairly well. Other parameters considered to be conventional wisdom is that not only is a "bolt-on" mod external, but also that it is something fairly simple, not involving a big install project.
Things like ignition systems, cold air kits, IAT relocators, throttle bodies, underdrive pullies, cat-backs, even headers. Poly mounts, simple suspension swaps like LCA's or panhard bars, torque arms, etc.
#66
Originally Posted by smoop1
hmm... why is it that OHC folks always seem to lump cams in with bolt-ons?
Now on the cars we care about here, it is not. You have to do a pretty involved procedure since the cam is in the block.
So basicly. In an OHC car it is. In an OHV car it is not. For the sake of simplicity, we generally refer to them as not being a bolt on though.
I still voted yes just to mess with people LOL.
#67
Holy **** this thread is still goin?
Is it really that big of a debate? I thought everyone knew what a "bolt-on" was. I also thought everyone, even a complete noob, knew that a cam is NOT a bolt-on. It really isn't that hard to understand.
Is it really that big of a debate? I thought everyone knew what a "bolt-on" was. I also thought everyone, even a complete noob, knew that a cam is NOT a bolt-on. It really isn't that hard to understand.
#69
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Originally Posted by Stanger88
You need to pull the balancer to do underdrive pullies on an LS1, thats more involved than a valve cover imho. I dont see your point. You also must pull the springs out from under the car to change shocks, I consider shocks a bolt-on. On a mustang GT 4.6L you must un-bolt a motor-mount and jack the motor up to install LT's, going price for labor alone is $500+ at Dallas Mustang for that. I think that a cam-swap in a DSM is a bolt-on. Thats like saying you have to remove your lid to change the air filter so its not a bolt-on. Valve covers arent hard to pull...
bolt on's bolt to the engine. internals go inside the engine.
#71
Originally Posted by jpat1023
Holy **** this thread is still goin?
Is it really that big of a debate? I thought everyone knew what a "bolt-on" was. I also thought everyone, even a complete noob, knew that a cam is NOT a bolt-on. It really isn't that hard to understand.
Is it really that big of a debate? I thought everyone knew what a "bolt-on" was. I also thought everyone, even a complete noob, knew that a cam is NOT a bolt-on. It really isn't that hard to understand.
#75
Originally Posted by Justin00SS
If you would have read then you would know the deal.
Difficulty level does not matter. Time consumption does not matter. All that matters is the application to the engine. And since a cam is INTERNAL ENGINE WORK!, it is not a bolt-on.
And to address the smartasses that say (in a retarded voice), "so a supercharger is a bolton?" NO. A supercharger is a power adder. Bolt-Ons take advantage of power that your engine already possesses, it just hasn't released yet. Power adders, such as N2O, supercharger, turbocharger, etc., are not bolt-ons, even though they 'bolt on' along with many other modifications done to the engine to run the power adder.
Now, if there is some other 'deal' that I did not address, please let me know, otherwise, have a nice day.
#76
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Engine Performance, Bolt-on wise (Note, this is a from a LS1/6 modding perspective): Something that replaces a stock component on the exterior of the engine and "frees" up horsepower and/or allows the engine to receive more air. Includes exhaust and intake components. (i.e: air lid/CAI (yes, it uses screws instead of bolts), throttle body (either modified from stock or replaced), intake manifold, pullies, exhaust manifolds/headers, header/manifold back or cat back, etc..)
Argumentative: electric water pump, MAF (either modified from stock or replaced)
Does not include: Forced induction, Nitrous Oxide, or anything that is used to correct a factory flaw and/or does not free horsepower (noticable, not .5hp). (i.e: catch can, throttle body bypass, smooth bellows, exhaust clamps, air filter, free ram air, thermostat, etc..)
Engine Performance, Internal wise (Note, this is a from a LS1 modding perspective): Something that replaces a stock component that "increases" horsepower or strengthens the engine internally. Includes increasing stroke/bore. (i.e: valve springs, lifters, pushrods, cam, heads, rocker arms, forged pistons/rods/crank, rod bolts, etc..)
-Replacing the engine for an aftermarket engine with increased stroke/bore or forged internals is an internal modification (You are just lazy).
Argumentative: electric water pump, MAF (either modified from stock or replaced)
Does not include: Forced induction, Nitrous Oxide, or anything that is used to correct a factory flaw and/or does not free horsepower (noticable, not .5hp). (i.e: catch can, throttle body bypass, smooth bellows, exhaust clamps, air filter, free ram air, thermostat, etc..)
Engine Performance, Internal wise (Note, this is a from a LS1 modding perspective): Something that replaces a stock component that "increases" horsepower or strengthens the engine internally. Includes increasing stroke/bore. (i.e: valve springs, lifters, pushrods, cam, heads, rocker arms, forged pistons/rods/crank, rod bolts, etc..)
-Replacing the engine for an aftermarket engine with increased stroke/bore or forged internals is an internal modification (You are just lazy).
#78
Originally Posted by jpat1023
hahaha...I did read. And you want to know what I found out?? A cam is still not a bolt-on. A bolt-on is something bolted on to the external part of the engine. A cam is INTERNAL ENGINE WORK! How many times does that have to be posted?
Difficulty level does not matter. Time consumption does not matter. All that matters is the application to the engine. And since a cam is INTERNAL ENGINE WORK!, it is not a bolt-on.
Now, if there is some other 'deal' that I did not address, please let me know, otherwise, have a nice day.
Difficulty level does not matter. Time consumption does not matter. All that matters is the application to the engine. And since a cam is INTERNAL ENGINE WORK!, it is not a bolt-on.
Now, if there is some other 'deal' that I did not address, please let me know, otherwise, have a nice day.
But I know of 3 people who do. Of course they think that they are master mechanics as well.
#80
Originally Posted by Lucas'02SS
I am so confused as to the meaning of this thread now...I thought you were implying you thought it was a bolt-on.
I was trying to prove them wrong. I kinda did.