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11-11-2006, 11:11 AM
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sports car 300+ hp and 2 doors IMO, Muscle Car gotta have a big block, or at least a loppy *** cam, and smell of unburnt fuel, all while scaring children on the sidewalks lol.......
but what do I know I drive a sedan lol
but what do I know I drive a sedan lol
11-12-2006, 04:02 PM
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So far in my life, I've always preferred driving a muscle car like an F-body over a sports car like a Vette. Muscle cars are larger, and I usually tend to like bigger cars better.
But eventually I'll likely have a sports car as well (Vette).
But eventually I'll likely have a sports car as well (Vette).
11-13-2006, 02:23 AM
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Originally Posted by ULTIMATEORANGESS
i consider my SS a musclecar and my GTO a sports car. how should i vote?
Sports cars are small, GTO is massive.
Sports cars are light wieght, GTO is a pig
Sports cars are 2 seaters, often soft tops, GTO is a 4 seater coupe
Sports cars are about nimble handling, GTO is barge with A+ sideways action
Sports cars are about small efficent motors and power to weight, GTO isn't
11-13-2006, 03:47 PM
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Muscle Cars all the way baby!!! They look and sound meaner and are very sexy.
Old bald guys going through a mid-life crisis that don't know sh*t about cars get sports cars to drive IMO.
Old bald guys going through a mid-life crisis that don't know sh*t about cars get sports cars to drive IMO.
11-13-2006, 05:26 PM
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Where do I even start? 
They look and sound meaner? Hahah!
It doesn't get meaner that this blacked out C6 Z06...
And no muscle car sounds meaner than a Saleen S7 TT
That's because younger people can't really afford many sports cars. I've met PLENTY of muscle car owners who don't know jack **** about their cars too.
Originally Posted by Lips SS
They look and sound meaner
It doesn't get meaner that this blacked out C6 Z06...
And no muscle car sounds meaner than a Saleen S7 TT
Originally Posted by Lips SS
Old bald guys going through a mid-life crisis that don't know sh*t about cars get sports cars to drive
11-13-2006, 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by 300bhp/ton
GTO a sports car?
Sports cars are small, GTO is massive.
Sports cars are light wieght, GTO is a pig
Sports cars are 2 seaters, often soft tops, GTO is a 4 seater coupe
Sports cars are about nimble handling, GTO is barge with A+ sideways action
Sports cars are about small efficent motors and power to weight, GTO isn't
Sports cars are small, GTO is massive.
Sports cars are light wieght, GTO is a pig
Sports cars are 2 seaters, often soft tops, GTO is a 4 seater coupe
Sports cars are about nimble handling, GTO is barge with A+ sideways action
Sports cars are about small efficent motors and power to weight, GTO isn't
mazdaspeed 6 is a sports car. as i mentioned ERXs and EVOs are sports cars. RX8 though a 2dr. is no way a powerful car and its a sports car. so are you saying C6s have small motors?
i consider GTOs to be in the same category as G35s,350ZXs and mustangs. so tell me what are those cars?
sorry,your description isnt accurate in describing all sports cars. some yes but not all.
11-13-2006, 08:19 PM
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american muscle anything american with over 300 hp a muscle car.as far as the above argument the zo6 and the 98 up ta basicly have the same engine.the zo6 has a better head intake cam setup,giving it the extra 50 hp.the ls1 is under rated.before you reply that it isnt do some research.both these cars are musclecars.hell my first car was a big block cuda.as far as the turbo rice burners ive owned a few of these they are powerfull but very fragile,and by no means a muscle car.
my musclecar 98 ta gears lid lil here and there
my musclecar 98 ta gears lid lil here and there
11-14-2006, 01:08 AM
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So the term american muslce doesnt apply to vetts? I consider vette a good handling, good looking muscle car... i consider a sports car to be a sport compact, like an evo, sti, z350, etc... also i dont consider a sports car to have a muscle sound like a vette, f-body gto, etc... So with my definition of sport vs muscle, id have to go with muscle.
11-14-2006, 04:01 AM
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Originally Posted by ULTIMATEORANGESS
theres plenty of cars out now that are 4DR. and not necessarily light or powerful that can be considered sports cars.
Originally Posted by ULTIMATEORANGESS
mazdaspeed 6 is a sports car. as i mentioned ERXs and EVOs are sports cars.
An Evo or WRX is NOT a sports car not even ******* close. And the reason whyy is they are 4 door familiy saloons/sedans. Or Rally-wanta be's.
Sure they may have "sporting" potential, but that's different.
Also if you say an Evo is a sports car, well that means the lesser engined regular Lancer is, which is just a dull 2wd car without a turbo. The Evo is just a fast version of it. But it is essentially the same car.
Originally Posted by ULTIMATEORANGESS
RX8 though a 2dr. is no way a powerful car and its a sports car.
Originally Posted by ULTIMATEORANGESS
so are you saying C6s have small motors?
Originally Posted by ULTIMATEORANGESS
i consider GTOs to be in the same category as G35s,350ZXs and mustangs. so tell me what are those cars?
I think these are either muscle cars (Pony cars a derivertive of muscle car) for the V8's. Other wise "performance coupe". Due to the size and abilty of the GTO and Stang they also cross over into the GT category as well. They are large heavy vehicles with big powerful engines and lots of luxuary. They would be ideal for transporting 2 people and luggage across a continent.
Sports cars would be more cramped and compromised as a rule.
Originally Posted by ULTIMATEORANGESS
sorry,your description isnt accurate in describing all sports cars. some yes but not all.
The Corvette, well that's harder to place. In reality it's too big and heavy for a real sports car (bear with me here I'll explain!!!).
Personally I'd probably classify it as a "Muscle sports car", Performance Coupe or an "American Sports Car". Currently this last tag would only really include the Vette and Viper as bother are 2 seaters and generally smaller/lighter than the muscle car coupes like the Fbody/GTO etc.
Now I say the Vette is heavy because most sports cars will weigh in at 700-1200kg (1540-2640lb) which is substantially lighter than any Corvette.
Here are some cars from the past which where "sports" cars:
Modern day sports cars:
Others could include the Honda S2000, Lotus Elise, BMW Z4, Marcos, etc.
The Vette has never really been svelt enough. I mean even back in the lates 50's early 60's the Corvette was more the size (or bigger) than cars like the Jagaur E-Type and Aston Martin DB5. These where sporting GT cars as opposed to outright 100% sports cars. The Vette with only 2 seats was subtley different though.
11-14-2006, 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted by 300bhp/ton
No I don't think there are actually.
Are you MAD!!!!!! Yes I think you are.
An Evo or WRX is NOT a sports car not even ******* close. And the reason whyy is they are 4 door familiy saloons/sedans. Or Rally-wanta be's.
Sure they may have "sporting" potential, but that's different.
Also if you say an Evo is a sports car, well that means the lesser engined regular Lancer is, which is just a dull 2wd car without a turbo. The Evo is just a fast version of it. But it is essentially the same car.
Yes it is or at least a lot closer to a sports car, it's about handling and FUN not outright pace.
Don't be a dick
Yes I would probably group it there also. And cars like the BMW M3 and others could be considered also.
I think these are either muscle cars (Pony cars a derivertive of muscle car) for the V8's. Other wise "performance coupe". Due to the size and abilty of the GTO and Stang they also cross over into the GT category as well. They are large heavy vehicles with big powerful engines and lots of luxuary. They would be ideal for transporting 2 people and luggage across a continent.
Sports cars would be more cramped and compromised as a rule.
No, but that's because some cars cross over, but a 4wd rally car is NOT a sports car.
The Corvette, well that's harder to place. In reality it's too big and heavy for a real sports car (bear with me here I'll explain!!!).
Personally I'd probably classify it as a "Muscle sports car", Performance Coupe or an "American Sports Car". Currently this last tag would only really include the Vette and Viper as bother are 2 seaters and generally smaller/lighter than the muscle car coupes like the Fbody/GTO etc.
Now I say the Vette is heavy because most sports cars will weigh in at 700-1200kg (1540-2640lb) which is substantially lighter than any Corvette.
Here are some cars from the past which where "sports" cars:
Modern day sports cars:
Others could include the Honda S2000, Lotus Elise, BMW Z4, Marcos, etc.
The Vette has never really been svelt enough. I mean even back in the lates 50's early 60's the Corvette was more the size (or bigger) than cars like the Jagaur E-Type and Aston Martin DB5. These where sporting GT cars as opposed to outright 100% sports cars. The Vette with only 2 seats was subtley different though.
Are you MAD!!!!!! Yes I think you are.
An Evo or WRX is NOT a sports car not even ******* close. And the reason whyy is they are 4 door familiy saloons/sedans. Or Rally-wanta be's.
Sure they may have "sporting" potential, but that's different.
Also if you say an Evo is a sports car, well that means the lesser engined regular Lancer is, which is just a dull 2wd car without a turbo. The Evo is just a fast version of it. But it is essentially the same car.
Yes it is or at least a lot closer to a sports car, it's about handling and FUN not outright pace.
Don't be a dick
Yes I would probably group it there also. And cars like the BMW M3 and others could be considered also.
I think these are either muscle cars (Pony cars a derivertive of muscle car) for the V8's. Other wise "performance coupe". Due to the size and abilty of the GTO and Stang they also cross over into the GT category as well. They are large heavy vehicles with big powerful engines and lots of luxuary. They would be ideal for transporting 2 people and luggage across a continent.
Sports cars would be more cramped and compromised as a rule.
No, but that's because some cars cross over, but a 4wd rally car is NOT a sports car.
The Corvette, well that's harder to place. In reality it's too big and heavy for a real sports car (bear with me here I'll explain!!!).
Personally I'd probably classify it as a "Muscle sports car", Performance Coupe or an "American Sports Car". Currently this last tag would only really include the Vette and Viper as bother are 2 seaters and generally smaller/lighter than the muscle car coupes like the Fbody/GTO etc.
Now I say the Vette is heavy because most sports cars will weigh in at 700-1200kg (1540-2640lb) which is substantially lighter than any Corvette.
Here are some cars from the past which where "sports" cars:
Modern day sports cars:
Others could include the Honda S2000, Lotus Elise, BMW Z4, Marcos, etc.
The Vette has never really been svelt enough. I mean even back in the lates 50's early 60's the Corvette was more the size (or bigger) than cars like the Jagaur E-Type and Aston Martin DB5. These where sporting GT cars as opposed to outright 100% sports cars. The Vette with only 2 seats was subtley different though.
just because it has 4 DR. doesnt mean its not a sports cars. by calling it a rally car proves my point the car is a sports car. youre just trying to call it something else. its a sports car. its emphasis is on handling and performance.
G35s and 300ZXs are cars that have descent performance but also emphasise comfort,luxury and handling. these terms performance coupe and rally car doesnt exclude these vehicles from the sports car category.
11-14-2006, 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted by ULTIMATEORANGESS
its obvious by the examples ive given the definition of sports cars have changed as the auto industry has.
Originally Posted by ULTIMATEORANGESS
youre the one that said small motors that are about power to weight so youre the DICK because you know i proved you wrong.
Originally Posted by ULTIMATEORANGESS
just because it has 4 DR. doesnt mean its not a sports cars.
Originally Posted by ULTIMATEORANGESS
by calling it a rally car proves my point the car is a sports car.
Not all rally cars hail from sports cars In fact today NONE do.
I mean do you regard this as a sports car?:
Because it's in the same class as a regular Impreza or Lancer.
I sure of hell don't classify it as a sports car.
I mean can you show me a 4 seat saloon version of a Morgan? Or maybe an Estate MX-5?
Nope because they are sports cars and don't have lots of configuraitons. Coupe and/or Vert. Plain and simple.
Originally Posted by ULTIMATEORANGESS
youre just trying to call it something else. its a sports car. its emphasis is on handling and performance.
Originally Posted by ULTIMATEORANGESS
G35s and 300ZXs are cars that have descent performance but also emphasise comfort,luxury and handling. these terms performance coupe and rally car doesnt exclude these vehicles from the sports car category.
NOT A SPORTS CAR:
11-14-2006, 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by StealthZ06
Where do I even start?
They look and sound meaner? Hahah!
It doesn't get meaner that this blacked out C6 Z06...
And no muscle car sounds meaner than a Saleen S7 TT
That's because younger people can't really afford many sports cars. I've met PLENTY of muscle car owners who don't know jack **** about their cars too.
They look and sound meaner? Hahah!
It doesn't get meaner that this blacked out C6 Z06...
And no muscle car sounds meaner than a Saleen S7 TT
That's because younger people can't really afford many sports cars. I've met PLENTY of muscle car owners who don't know jack **** about their cars too.
11-14-2006, 02:47 PM
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I agree about the Vette. I don't really consider it a sports car. If I had to classify it I would tend to lean a little more toward muscle car but yet it technically doesn't qualify for that either. So I don't know. Look, I am sorry if I offended anyone by my comment it was a simple smartass remark. I was just giving my opinion like everyone else and to me a muscle car has that deep throaty sexy rumble and when you rev the engine the whole car moves.
Well it turns me on and the sports car doesn't do anything for me. So it's all a matter of what you like and dislike I guess.
Well it turns me on and the sports car doesn't do anything for me. So it's all a matter of what you like and dislike I guess.
11-14-2006, 05:41 PM
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Some of you all have real funny ideas about what a sports car is...
Muscle Car/Pony Car(differing from a muscle car in size, and marked by a sportier GT level of handling and touring capability): F-body, Mustang, upcoming Challenger, Charger SRT8
Sport Coupe: BMW M3, GTO, Infiniti G35, etc.
Sports Car: Miata, Elise, Carrera, Sky/Solstice, F430, Corvette, etc.
Cars like the STI, Evo, etc would fall in between a sport coupe and a pony car IMO, and they have a term for that: Sport Compact.
I'm speaking for stock cars here, obviously a GTO for instance can be modified in such a way as to make it much more of a muscle car, but from Pontiac it was not designed as such.
Muscle Car/Pony Car(differing from a muscle car in size, and marked by a sportier GT level of handling and touring capability): F-body, Mustang, upcoming Challenger, Charger SRT8
Sport Coupe: BMW M3, GTO, Infiniti G35, etc.
Sports Car: Miata, Elise, Carrera, Sky/Solstice, F430, Corvette, etc.
Cars like the STI, Evo, etc would fall in between a sport coupe and a pony car IMO, and they have a term for that: Sport Compact.
I'm speaking for stock cars here, obviously a GTO for instance can be modified in such a way as to make it much more of a muscle car, but from Pontiac it was not designed as such.
11-14-2006, 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by 300bhp/ton
Ok then if you say a WRX is a sports car what the smeg is a Lotus Elise, TVR Tuscan or Mazda MX-5 then?
lol, I said it was one of the ATTRIBUTES not the defining limit. I mean a motorbike has a small engine and good power to weight but it ain't no sports car.
by definition it does rule out most. But no not all.
WHY?????
Not all rally cars hail from sports cars In fact today NONE do.
I mean do you regard this as a sports car?:
Because it's in the same class as a regular Impreza or Lancer.
I sure of hell don't classify it as a sports car.
I mean can you show me a 4 seat saloon version of a Morgan? Or maybe an Estate MX-5?
Nope because they are sports cars and don't have lots of configuraitons. Coupe and/or Vert. Plain and simple.
So a Range Rover Sport or a Ferrari Enzo but they ain't sports cars either.
Yep it does, and Rally car is not sold to the mass public as they look like this
NOT A SPORTS CAR:
lol, I said it was one of the ATTRIBUTES not the defining limit. I mean a motorbike has a small engine and good power to weight but it ain't no sports car.
by definition it does rule out most. But no not all.
WHY?????
Not all rally cars hail from sports cars In fact today NONE do.
I mean do you regard this as a sports car?:
Because it's in the same class as a regular Impreza or Lancer.
I sure of hell don't classify it as a sports car.
I mean can you show me a 4 seat saloon version of a Morgan? Or maybe an Estate MX-5?
Nope because they are sports cars and don't have lots of configuraitons. Coupe and/or Vert. Plain and simple.
So a Range Rover Sport or a Ferrari Enzo but they ain't sports cars either.
Yep it does, and Rally car is not sold to the mass public as they look like this
NOT A SPORTS CAR:
you lost me by saying g35s and 350s are musclecars.
i gave examples disputing youre definition of what sports cars are.i dont know WTF that last picture is but i'll say it again. if a car has emphasis on performance and handling weather its a 2DR. or 4dr. it can be classified as a sports car. now you dont need to post every picture in automotive history as a response.
i never said ALL cars i just gave a few examples.GTOs,WRXs,EVOs,g35s,350Zs are cars in the sports car CATEGORY. weather you want to call them sport coupes,compacts, rally cars.theyre still sports cars.
case closed.
11-15-2006, 04:35 AM
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Originally Posted by ULTIMATEORANGESS
ive made my point youve agreed with indirectly a few times and everything else youre posting is just looking into it too much.
Originally Posted by ULTIMATEORANGESS
you lost me by saying g35s and 350s are musclecars.
Originally Posted by ULTIMATEORANGESS
i gave examples disputing youre definition of what sports cars are.
Basically all you said is if it's a car then its a sports car??
Originally Posted by ULTIMATEORANGESS
i dont know WTF that last picture is
Originally Posted by ULTIMATEORANGESS
but i'll say it again. if a car has emphasis on performance and handling weather its a 2DR. or 4dr. it can be classified as a sports car.
As I said if you claim they are sports cars what is a Lotus Elise? It certainly is a very different car compared to a BMW M5 which is concerned with performance/handling. But in your definition they are exactly the same type of car, which frankly is ludicous.
Originally Posted by ULTIMATEORANGESS
GTOs,WRXs,EVOs,g35s,350Zs are cars in the sports car CATEGORY.
Have you ever been in or driven a REAL sports car? I'm gonna guess not, because if you had it would be so obvious at the difference.