Swap to auto and regret it?
12-07-2006, 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by 1999ws6
transaminal- in a real race car in drag race the auto's are faster don't kid yourself. In stock form yes manuals may run .01 better but you put a stall in the auto and your manual is toast in a drag race. Once you get into a low 10.00/high 9 sec. car you would wish it was an auto because driving a fast stick car and getting the most out of it is a little harder than you may think. This is fact not just what i believe. I have had both and love both. The manual is funnier to drive the auto is better at the track.
good post. Although I don't see how the manual is funnier to drive, it might be more fun, but not funnier...
12-07-2006, 06:27 PM
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I have a 96 TA A4 and i wanted to swap to manual also. My brother has a 98 camaro and it was a stalled auto he swapped it to 6 speed and was happy. now his car is doing low 11's in the 1/4 so he is swapping to a th350 bc he wants to be in the 10's. SO i realized hey leave mine auto build it, stall it, and drag it. Plus i drove his stalled auto and i thought the stalled autos are alot more fun than a 6 speed bc its something different. Not many cars have stalled autos. my .02
12-08-2006, 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by jpat1023
Damnit, I could have sworn I warned about his not being an 'auto vs. manual' thread. 
TransAnimal - he didn't say manuals are For highschool kids, he said manuals Impress high school kids, like yourself...
TransAnimal - he didn't say manuals are For highschool kids, he said manuals Impress high school kids, like yourself...
If I want to get chauffeured around I'll call a limo, if I want to actually DRIVE a car its going to be a manual. I guess I'm just not cool like you owning an automatic sports car
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12-08-2006, 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by 1999ws6
transaminal- in a real race car in drag race the auto's are faster don't kid yourself. In stock form yes manuals may run .01 better but you put a stall in the auto and your manual is toast in a drag race. Once you get into a low 10.00/high 9 sec. car you would wish it was an auto because driving a fast stick car and getting the most out of it is a little harder than you may think. This is fact not just what i believe. I have had both and love both. The manual is funnier to drive the auto is better at the track.
How is an M6 car "toast in a drag race"?? Its called a high performance clutch, sticky tires, and 4.10 gears. We're talking mod for mod here. The only way the auto is going to win is in the 60ft and in pure consistancy. Not to mention autos ALWAYS trap a couple MPH lower, and even more so when you get a stall.
Obviously an auto is going to be better for a 9 or 10 second car, who the hell daily drives one of those though?? Sure as hell not me or about 95% of the other people on this board, way to bring up a totally irrelevant example.
12-09-2006, 12:40 PM
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F-bods are getting really cheap now, you can have both...
The White WS.6 in the sig started off as an A4...best ever on a dry shot, 3500 stall and minimal mods..11.67@117. I then converted it to a M6 and after spending many thousands of dollars on mods, I ran the time in the sig.
I do enjoy the hell out of drag racing a stick, but I have only beat my girlfriend twice, out of about 15 races, she's an A4 with a fat stall, red car in sig.
Now, on the other hand, I do enjoy driving a Stalled A4 and an A4 with a stock stall and 4.10's(green car in sig, time was with a stall though).
In conclusion, I like both, lol
The White WS.6 in the sig started off as an A4...best ever on a dry shot, 3500 stall and minimal mods..11.67@117. I then converted it to a M6 and after spending many thousands of dollars on mods, I ran the time in the sig.
I do enjoy the hell out of drag racing a stick, but I have only beat my girlfriend twice, out of about 15 races, she's an A4 with a fat stall, red car in sig.
Now, on the other hand, I do enjoy driving a Stalled A4 and an A4 with a stock stall and 4.10's(green car in sig, time was with a stall though).
In conclusion, I like both, lol
12-09-2006, 03:19 PM
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I dont have an Fbody yet, but I wish all the time that my Mustang was an auto. If it was I would take it to the strip a hell of alot more, and would be more inclined to take people on from a dig on the street. When ever I get a Camaro, it is definately going to be an A4.
12-09-2006, 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by TransAminal
Obviously an auto is going to be better for a 9 or 10 second car, who the hell daily drives one of those though?? Sure as hell not me or about 95% of the other people on this board, way to bring up a totally irrelevant example.
I find that all relevant since a LOT of people here get full bolt-ons, full bolt ons and a cam or even full bolt-ons with a nice heads/cam package.
There are plenty of A3/A4 autos in the tens and still on the stock 10 bolt. I think one or two even cracked 9's on a 10 bolt although that is a major ticking time bomb. There are also plenty of people who have a blast with RMVB A3's. Getting to shift and use a converter is kind of like having your cake and eating it too.
And in case you were wondering, the worlds quickest and fastest LS1 F-body (6.86 @ 205 MPH) is a stalled automatic
I have nothing against manuals. They are fun to drive, get better gas mileage, better at road courses, ect. But when it comes to drag racing a properly setup stalled automatic has some VERY SWEET advantages. No matter how much you may try, you can never take that away from us.
To the original poster Keliente,
I would see if someone in your area will let you drive thier stalled auto. Driving a 3500+ stalled car might just be all you need to swing your decision one way or the other.
Good luck.
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12-09-2006, 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by bww3588
yeah, everyone is right. when you get below 10 seconds a maunal is obsolete. thats why the pro stockers in the NHRA run automatics
12-09-2006, 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by TransAminal
You honestly think autos are only .01 slower stock?? What are you smoking?? With our cars the difference is about 3-4 tenths and 2MPH in the 1/4, thats no ".01" of a difference, get real. On cars like the Mustang GT, the difference is a full half second and about 4MPH. Get a clue.
How is an M6 car "toast in a drag race"?? Its called a high performance clutch, sticky tires, and 4.10 gears. We're talking mod for mod here. The only way the auto is going to win is in the 60ft and in pure consistancy. Not to mention autos ALWAYS trap a couple MPH lower, and even more so when you get a stall.
Obviously an auto is going to be better for a 9 or 10 second car, who the hell daily drives one of those though?? Sure as hell not me or about 95% of the other people on this board, way to bring up a totally irrelevant example.
How is an M6 car "toast in a drag race"?? Its called a high performance clutch, sticky tires, and 4.10 gears. We're talking mod for mod here. The only way the auto is going to win is in the 60ft and in pure consistancy. Not to mention autos ALWAYS trap a couple MPH lower, and even more so when you get a stall.
Obviously an auto is going to be better for a 9 or 10 second car, who the hell daily drives one of those though?? Sure as hell not me or about 95% of the other people on this board, way to bring up a totally irrelevant example.
Plenty of stock A4's have gone faster than stock M6's. Granted that has to do with the driver mod, but the fastest ever stock M6 ran what....12.8. And the fastest ever stock A4 ran what....13.0. Not .01, but certainly not .03-.04. My Hawk went .01 faster than my SS and I knew how to drive it well. Trapped the same MPH also. Hawk was bone stock to the paper filter, the SS had a lid and exhaust. I like both, and I will have both some day. Darren, you do have a point with your last post though. Hard to argue with facts.
12-09-2006, 10:39 PM
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Originally Posted by TransAminal
Ever notice that just about every car ever made, in the history of automobiles, has been faster in the stick shift version than in the automatic version??
Sure, you can make the auto just as fast by spending hundreds if not thousands of dollars on stalling it and having the trans built, but then again you could go just as fast in a stock M6. I don't see the point, unless you are a serious drag racer.
Autos are good for drag racing ET's and consistancy. Thats it. You launch it and floor it, simple as pie. They put down less power at the wheels, are less fun to drive (subjective, but come on), can't run road courses, get worse fuel economy, are more expensive to buy, wear out faster than manuals, and are more expensive to maintain and mod.
You say "manuals are for high school kids" to make yourself feel better about buying an auto, just face it, manual is the only way to go in a true sports car.
Sure, you can make the auto just as fast by spending hundreds if not thousands of dollars on stalling it and having the trans built, but then again you could go just as fast in a stock M6. I don't see the point, unless you are a serious drag racer.
Autos are good for drag racing ET's and consistancy. Thats it. You launch it and floor it, simple as pie. They put down less power at the wheels, are less fun to drive (subjective, but come on), can't run road courses, get worse fuel economy, are more expensive to buy, wear out faster than manuals, and are more expensive to maintain and mod.
You say "manuals are for high school kids" to make yourself feel better about buying an auto, just face it, manual is the only way to go in a true sports car.
manuals usually have 1 or 2 more gears, allowing them to be geared more aggressively from the factory. in the case of the f-body, manuals have 3.42's. automatics have 2.73's as a base with optional 3.23's. no kidding the manuals have the potential to be faster off the floor? they're geared better. of course they have more potential. pair that with the fact that manuals suffer less drivetrain loss than automatics. it is not the transmission that makes it faster. it's the better gearing and less parasitic loss.
if you take an A4 with 3.42's and an M6 with 3.42's, the A4 should win 90% of the time at the track. equal gearing, the auto is generally the faster car. automatics have something that manuals will never have - consistency. you can turn low 13's all day in auto's. i've heard of people running 12.9's to 15.0's in manual f-bodies.
if you want to go fast, get an automatic. manuals may be faster off the showroom floor due to gearing, but a manual will NEVER have the potential for speed that automatics have.
also, take away parasitic loss, take away gearing and the manual is the slower transmission. no human can shift better than a computer.
here's for your education. it's a list of the top 20 quickest naturally aspirated, stock internal LS1's:
# Project_SS ----- 10.925 @ 121.03 (1.46), 98 Camaro SS A4, TCI4400, 3.73, 2920, 10/06
# Magnus --------- 10.987 @ 119.31 (1.42), 97 Firebird A4, YPT4400, 4.10, 2920, 12/04
# Hawkn01 -------- 11.256 @ 118.48 (1.52), 01 Firehawk A4, TCS4200, 3.73, 3086, 03/04
# RUQWIKR -------- 11.273 @ 120.02 (1.46), 01 Formula A4, YTP4400, 4.11, 3140, 04/02
# Skelton -------- 11.301 @ 119.29 (1.50), 01 Formula A4, YTP4400, 4.10, 3130, 03/05
# SilentbutViolent 11.302 @ 117.84 (1.52), 98 Camaro Z28 A4, YTP4600, 3.73, 3128, 11/04
# V6 Bird -------- 11.322 @ 118.67 (1.53), 01 Formula A4, YTP4000, 3.23, 3170, 11/02
# BAIN ----------- 11.429 @ 116.81 (1.51), 00 Camaro SS A4, TCI4400, 3.73, 3400, 12/04
# 1BAD98LS1 --- 11.441 @ 115.74 (1.486), 98 Formula A4, YTP4000, 3.89, 3230, 11/06
# Lane ----------- 11.458 @ 117.33 (1.53), 01 Camaro Z28 A4, YTP4200, 3.42, 3350, 11/02
# 11SECSS -------- 11.458 @ 116.94 (1.50), 01 Camaro SS A4, YTP4000, 3.23, 3200, 04/02
# DMcRacer ------- 11.468 @ 116.88 (1.56), 02 Camaro SS A4, PY3800E, 3:42, 3400, 11/03
# MDBlackZ28 ----- 11.494 @ 115.85 (1.56), 00 Camaro Z28 A4, TCI4000, 4.10, 3150, 07/05
# Black Sunshine - 11.496 @ 116.24 (1.52), 01 Camaro SS A4, Vig3200, 3.73, 3225, 10/01
# Birdman -------- 11.519 @ 115.60 (1.55), 98 TransAmWS6 A4, YTP4400, 3.73, 3180, 05/02
# WILWAXU -------- 11.544 @ 115.36 (1.53), 01 Formula A4, YTP4200, 3.73, 3320, 01/04
# 01-Z ----------- 11.549 @ 117.82 (1.60), 01 Camaro Z28 M6, Mcleod, 4.30, 3090, 09/02
# Lynda ---------- 11.550 @ 115.36 (1.51), 01 Camaro Z28 A4, YPT4400, 3.42, 3340, 12/03
# Raughammer ----- 11.562 @ 115.25 (1.50), 98 Camaro Z28 A4, YTP4500, 3.73, 3175, 01/01
# 2002Z ---------- 11.564 @ 115.75 (1.52), 02 Camaro Z28 A4, YST3500, 3.73, 3450, 10/02
# Magnus --------- 10.987 @ 119.31 (1.42), 97 Firebird A4, YPT4400, 4.10, 2920, 12/04
# Hawkn01 -------- 11.256 @ 118.48 (1.52), 01 Firehawk A4, TCS4200, 3.73, 3086, 03/04
# RUQWIKR -------- 11.273 @ 120.02 (1.46), 01 Formula A4, YTP4400, 4.11, 3140, 04/02
# Skelton -------- 11.301 @ 119.29 (1.50), 01 Formula A4, YTP4400, 4.10, 3130, 03/05
# SilentbutViolent 11.302 @ 117.84 (1.52), 98 Camaro Z28 A4, YTP4600, 3.73, 3128, 11/04
# V6 Bird -------- 11.322 @ 118.67 (1.53), 01 Formula A4, YTP4000, 3.23, 3170, 11/02
# BAIN ----------- 11.429 @ 116.81 (1.51), 00 Camaro SS A4, TCI4400, 3.73, 3400, 12/04
# 1BAD98LS1 --- 11.441 @ 115.74 (1.486), 98 Formula A4, YTP4000, 3.89, 3230, 11/06
# Lane ----------- 11.458 @ 117.33 (1.53), 01 Camaro Z28 A4, YTP4200, 3.42, 3350, 11/02
# 11SECSS -------- 11.458 @ 116.94 (1.50), 01 Camaro SS A4, YTP4000, 3.23, 3200, 04/02
# DMcRacer ------- 11.468 @ 116.88 (1.56), 02 Camaro SS A4, PY3800E, 3:42, 3400, 11/03
# MDBlackZ28 ----- 11.494 @ 115.85 (1.56), 00 Camaro Z28 A4, TCI4000, 4.10, 3150, 07/05
# Black Sunshine - 11.496 @ 116.24 (1.52), 01 Camaro SS A4, Vig3200, 3.73, 3225, 10/01
# Birdman -------- 11.519 @ 115.60 (1.55), 98 TransAmWS6 A4, YTP4400, 3.73, 3180, 05/02
# WILWAXU -------- 11.544 @ 115.36 (1.53), 01 Formula A4, YTP4200, 3.73, 3320, 01/04
# 01-Z ----------- 11.549 @ 117.82 (1.60), 01 Camaro Z28 M6, Mcleod, 4.30, 3090, 09/02
# Lynda ---------- 11.550 @ 115.36 (1.51), 01 Camaro Z28 A4, YPT4400, 3.42, 3340, 12/03
# Raughammer ----- 11.562 @ 115.25 (1.50), 98 Camaro Z28 A4, YTP4500, 3.73, 3175, 01/01
# 2002Z ---------- 11.564 @ 115.75 (1.52), 02 Camaro Z28 A4, YST3500, 3.73, 3450, 10/02
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12-10-2006, 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Silas2k
I WILL NEVER OWN ANOTHER AUTO. PERIOD.
autos are more consistent but at the sacrifice of FUN, theres nothing like banging those gears at 6k rpm
autos are more consistent but at the sacrifice of FUN, theres nothing like banging those gears at 6k rpm
I enjoy racing my car more. I LOVE being thrown back in my seat when I launch. It's almost violent if I am leaning too far forward. He tells me all the time he likes my car more. Maybe it's only because it's a full second faster but then again he did say he wants to go with a stalled auto in his next car.
So for me there is nothing like racking up win after win at the track with a stalled auto. The launch (and most of the time the win) never fails to put a big smile on my face.
But that's just me.
