427 Mustang vs. Me
08-19-2007, 12:17 AM
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WOW>.I can't believe what I am reading in here.....My eyes hurt.
I will say this though..for the performance you get....I believe the 427R is over rated.
AND..It is NOT 427 CI. It is 427 HP (technically it is 425, they just used the 427 for marketing).
And to answer the OP...it depends on teh driver. I think it will be close. THe Roushchargers aren't as good as the SaleenChargers, but they also come tuned like crap from Roush. Power wise..they are generally mid 300s (365 posted before is about what I have seen).
I will say this though..for the performance you get....I believe the 427R is over rated.
AND..It is NOT 427 CI. It is 427 HP (technically it is 425, they just used the 427 for marketing).
And to answer the OP...it depends on teh driver. I think it will be close. THe Roushchargers aren't as good as the SaleenChargers, but they also come tuned like crap from Roush. Power wise..they are generally mid 300s (365 posted before is about what I have seen).
08-19-2007, 12:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Martin HD-28
I looked at a new 427r yesterday, it does in fact have a 427 motor in it. sticker was 47,900 on it. it's a sharp car, though my SS would rip it to shreds.
yea no.. it doesnt.. dude if it had a 427 it would be making alot more then 390 rwhp.
08-19-2007, 12:53 AM
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Originally Posted by unit213
Why do people insist on using that weak *** arguement? Go buy
a fox 'stang and run 8's for the price of a used LS1. What's that
prove? Nothing. There must be a lot of broke people here. All I
ever see if people crying about the price of cars. People act like
they are trying to buy a Ferarri or something. $50K for a car is nothing
these days. Comparing a new vehicle to one that's 10 years old is
ridiculous.
a fox 'stang and run 8's for the price of a used LS1. What's that
prove? Nothing. There must be a lot of broke people here. All I
ever see if people crying about the price of cars. People act like
they are trying to buy a Ferarri or something. $50K for a car is nothing
these days. Comparing a new vehicle to one that's 10 years old is
ridiculous.
Prices mean everything in this country. If they didn't then Mustangs and Camaros would not be popular at all.
But comparing a stock 98-02 LS1 F-body to this really expensive version of the Mustang ($55k is pretty expensive for a car even w/ today's standards, especially if it is a 'stang) and even on paper it looks like it would be a close race. Compare the same F-body to a Mustang 10 years before it and you won't have the same results.
Don't get me wrong though, I absolutely love the Ford 5.0 Foxes, but I will never drool over a 4.6, I don't care how much boost they force into it to make up for the crappy motor. The cars do look bad *** though...
Just my opinion, I'm not getting the big bucks for my opinions on cars though so I guess take what you want.
But I personally would never buy a 4.6 for performance... maybe for a DD street car.
08-19-2007, 12:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Martin HD-28
I looked at a new 427r yesterday, it does in fact have a 427 motor in it. sticker was 47,900 on it. it's a sharp car, though my SS would rip it to shreds.
08-19-2007, 01:15 AM
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At least that settles my question, I saw one of these on the highway the other day and was like "hmmm, maybe I shouldn't mess with it". I think it looks nice aside from the goofy huge 427 sticker. I drove one of the new mustangs and I don't think I would like one even if they get 900hp out of it, it was just uncomfortable to be in. Maybe the price is good to a huge mustang fan, I mean its brand new and has a warranty and all that jazz.
08-19-2007, 02:53 AM
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Originally Posted by unit213
Why do people insist on using that weak *** arguement? Go buy
a fox 'stang and run 8's for the price of a used LS1. What's that
prove? Nothing. There must be a lot of broke people here. All I
ever see if people crying about the price of cars. People act like
they are trying to buy a Ferarri or something. $50K for a car is nothing
these days. Comparing a new vehicle to one that's 10 years old is
ridiculous.
a fox 'stang and run 8's for the price of a used LS1. What's that
prove? Nothing. There must be a lot of broke people here. All I
ever see if people crying about the price of cars. People act like
they are trying to buy a Ferarri or something. $50K for a car is nothing
these days. Comparing a new vehicle to one that's 10 years old is
ridiculous.
Also, I've owned a couple of Fox 5.0s and don't think I could have gotten them into the 8s for $8500 minus price of purchase, which is what you can get a used LS1 F-body for these days. It's also hypocritical for you to say "comparing a new car to a 10 year old car" and then compare a LS1 to a 10-year older 5.0 Fox.
I respect you trying to show both sides of the arguement, but Ford/Roush definitely dropped the ball here.
Here's an older pic to show I'm no brand-loyal stooge...
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08-19-2007, 03:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Benjamin Russick
Dude, $50K for a "performance" car that runs mid 13s is weak-sauce and you know it. $50K will get you into a new Corvette, which would murder that 427R in every category.
Also, I've owned a couple of Fox 5.0s and don't think I could have gotten them into the 8s for $8500 minus price of purchase, which is what you can get a used LS1 F-body for these days. It's also hypocritical for you to say "comparing a new car to a 10 year old car" and then compare a LS1 to a 10-year older 5.0 Fox.
I respect you trying to show both sides of the arguement, but Ford/Roush definitely dropped the ball here.
Here's an older pic to show I'm no brand-loyal stooge...
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Also, I've owned a couple of Fox 5.0s and don't think I could have gotten them into the 8s for $8500 minus price of purchase, which is what you can get a used LS1 F-body for these days. It's also hypocritical for you to say "comparing a new car to a 10 year old car" and then compare a LS1 to a 10-year older 5.0 Fox.
I respect you trying to show both sides of the arguement, but Ford/Roush definitely dropped the ball here.
Here's an older pic to show I'm no brand-loyal stooge...
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08-19-2007, 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Benjamin Russick
Dude, $50K for a "performance" car that runs mid 13s is weak-sauce and you know it.
to this "427 Mustang" at all, which by the way is a joke.
Originally Posted by Benjamin Russick
$50K will get you into a new Corvette, which would murder that 427R in every category.
Originally Posted by Benjamin Russick
Also, I've owned a couple of Fox 5.0s and don't think I could have gotten them into the 8s for $8500 minus price of purchase
The Motown Muscle Pinks car was thrown together for basically nothing
and it's trapping 150mph, which isn't too far off from an 8 second pass.
It's essentially a Fox. I've seen plenty of low budget 8 second Fox bodies.
Originally Posted by Benjamin Russick
It's also hypocritical for you to say "comparing a new car to a 10 year old car" and then compare a LS1 to a 10-year older 5.0 Fox.
I just sick of people using the same retarded arguement. Everything
costs money. This is the wrong hobby if you're constantly crying about
the price of things.
08-19-2007, 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by The Black Mamba
$50k would also get you into a GT500, which would DOMINATE your corvette. Whats your point slick?
08-19-2007, 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Benjamin Russick
No it wouldn't. The Vette will out-handle, out-brake and out-accelerate the GT500 in stock form. That's the price of a 1000lb weight penalty. Don't get so defensive, I'm a Ford guy too...
secondary thing for me.
I know the GT500's have big *** brakes. They're also very heavy though.
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Originally Posted by plainred02Z
Dudes that buy those must feel like turds when lightly modded LS1's that cost 14 grand hang with them.
08-19-2007, 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by unit213
Of course it is. I didn't say that it wasn't. In fact, I wasn't referring
to this "427 Mustang" at all, which by the way is a joke.
to this "427 Mustang" at all, which by the way is a joke.
Just because you didn't doesn't mean that it can't be done.
The Motown Muscle Pinks car was thrown together for basically nothing
and it's trapping 150mph, which isn't too far off from an 8 second pass.
It's essentially a Fox. I've seen plenty of low budget 8 second Fox bodies.
The average consumer doesn't have a full shop at their disposal. I know a guy in Jacksonville with a 1983 Fox 408/spray in the 8s (even tho he does drive it on the street and crushes a lot of egos with it!), but he has about $15K into it. I don't think $5K ($8K - $3K for a decent Fox) is going to get most guys past the 11s. Just my opinion...
I just sick of people using the same retarded arguement. Everything
costs money. This is the wrong hobby if you're constantly crying about
the price of things.
True...very true. But some folks can only afford a $3K 5.0 and they are justifiably proud when they whip a C5 or LS1 F-body. Same goes for the OP beating a $50K tuner-car. Granted, it isn't a good example as the 427R is woeful for the price, but "run what ya brung"...
08-19-2007, 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Benjamin Russick
"run what ya brung"...
tires at home.
Run what ya brung. Everything else is irrelevant. 
08-19-2007, 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by unit213
Will it out brake a GT500? <----- Honest question since stopping is a
secondary thing for me.
I know the GT500's have big *** brakes. They're also very heavy though.
secondary thing for me.
I know the GT500's have big *** brakes. They're also very heavy though.
http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...avy-pedal.html
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Originally Posted by unit213
That sums it all up. Leave all the crying about money, boost, nitrous,
tires at home. Run what ya brung. Everything else is irrelevant.
tires at home.
Run what ya brung. Everything else is irrelevant.
08-19-2007, 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Benjamin Russick
I hate to magazine race, but...
http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...avy-pedal.html
http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...avy-pedal.html
Originally Posted by Car & Driver
At the test track, physics would not be denied. Despite being on tires similar to the Corvette’s in size and specification, the GT500 achieved only 0.90 g on the skidpad, whereas the Vette pulled 0.95 g.
that's wicked.
Originally Posted by Car & Driver
During our brake tests, the GT500 nose-dived dramatically but stopped only a little worse than the Corvette. In our usual 70-mph stop, it needed 172 feet. In a much more punishing 120-mph stop, the GT500 came to a halt in 485 feet. The Vette edged it at 161 and 462 feet, respectively.
known for outstanding stopping / handling / etc. They did say the 'stang
nosed over really bad though.
Can they re-do that test with a KB GT500 with coil overs?
08-19-2007, 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by unit213
0.90g is pretty respectable. The vette pulled a .95g in stock trim? Yikes...
that's wicked.
Not too shabby considering the GT500 is a tank and the 'vette is
known for outstanding stopping / handling / etc. They did say the 'stang
nosed over really bad though.
Can they re-do that test with a KB GT500 with coil overs?
that's wicked.
Not too shabby considering the GT500 is a tank and the 'vette is
known for outstanding stopping / handling / etc. They did say the 'stang
nosed over really bad though.
Can they re-do that test with a KB GT500 with coil overs?
08-19-2007, 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Benjamin Russick
FWIW, I'd love to run your car. Loser buys a six-pack... You'd probably beat me pretty good if you sprayed, but I think it would be a decent race if you were off the hose...