Can i beat an 04 Cobra
08-26-2007, 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by 560SL
1.) He does not have more Hp to the wheels than a stock Terminator. In fact, he has about 40 less HP than most completely stock Terminators put down.
2.) His car weighs about 200 pounds less than a stock Terminator, maybe less. If it's a loaded-out Trans Am he's probably weighing in at 3450-3500 pounds. Terminators weigh about 3650. I always laugh when F-body owners bitch about how heavy the Cobras are, when their cars aren't much lighter...
3.) Stock Cobras are far from slow. They run mid-high 12s and trap about 110 MPH. That is equal with bolt-on LS1 cars.
4.) '03+ Cobras aren't supercars, but what they can accomplish (with a completely stock engine, no less) is pretty damn amazing. They're fast cars and with the ease of throwing on a twin-screw blower, they're real easy to get into the low 11s/high 10s.
Please, know what you're talking about before you post. I mean, you did type the line that's in my signature right now, so you're obviously clueless...
2.) His car weighs about 200 pounds less than a stock Terminator, maybe less. If it's a loaded-out Trans Am he's probably weighing in at 3450-3500 pounds. Terminators weigh about 3650. I always laugh when F-body owners bitch about how heavy the Cobras are, when their cars aren't much lighter...
3.) Stock Cobras are far from slow. They run mid-high 12s and trap about 110 MPH. That is equal with bolt-on LS1 cars.
4.) '03+ Cobras aren't supercars, but what they can accomplish (with a completely stock engine, no less) is pretty damn amazing. They're fast cars and with the ease of throwing on a twin-screw blower, they're real easy to get into the low 11s/high 10s.
Please, know what you're talking about before you post. I mean, you did type the line that's in my signature right now, so you're obviously clueless...
1.) find me a stock cobra putting down 420-430 at the wheels, wtf?
2.)if he is loaded out and the cobra is stripped out then yes maybe a 200lb difference but most likely there is about 300lbs or so unless the cobra is a vert and then it is more.
3.) mid-high 12s is slow in my book and many stock ls1 f-bods have done high 12s and trapped 110 so wheres the big difference? Hell, bolt-on lt1 cars can do high 12s.
4.) Cam only ls1s have done 10s and 11s so having a twin-srew and doing that is not impressive in my book.
Btw what do you drive? You seem to like pretend you know alot and back up anything thats not GM built. looks to me like youre on the wrong forum, or does your mommy have all the other ones blocked out?
08-26-2007, 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by capn smokey
Looks like you are the clueless one.
1.) find me a stock cobra putting down 420-430 at the wheels, wtf?
1.) find me a stock cobra putting down 420-430 at the wheels, wtf?
He'd be lucky to put down that with stage 3 LS6 heads. I have seen plenty of cars with heads and MS4 cams put down only 450-460whp, and that cam is MUCH better for peak hp.
Originally Posted by capn smokey
2.)if he is loaded out and the cobra is stripped out then yes maybe a 200lb difference but most likely there is about 300lbs or so unless the cobra is a vert and then it is more.
Oh yeah, lets not forget that with a pair of lighter rims, AND a solid axle, the car will weigh the same as your Fbody. Uh oh...
Originally Posted by capn smokey
3.) mid-high 12s is slow in my book and many stock ls1 f-bods have done high 12s and trapped 110 so wheres the big difference? Hell, bolt-on lt1 cars can do high 12s.
Also, C5 corvettes ran high 12s, but people say they're fast. Cobras run mid 12s. Whats your point?
Originally Posted by capn smokey
4.) Cam only ls1s have done 10s and 11s so having a twin-screw and doing that is not impressive in my book.
Btw what do you drive? You seem to like pretend you know alot and back up anything thats not GM built. looks to me like youre on the wrong forum, or does your mommy have all the other ones blocked out?
Btw what do you drive? You seem to like pretend you know alot and back up anything thats not GM built. looks to me like youre on the wrong forum, or does your mommy have all the other ones blocked out?
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08-26-2007, 12:58 PM
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2003 Sonic Blue Cobra (440/419 SAE at stock boost) ... quickest and fastest no upper and no lower pulley, non-ported, and non-sprayed 03/04 Cobra in the Country! 11.013 @ 126.51 thanks to Excessive Motorsport
Proud Member of the Mid-Atlantic Cobra Association
http://www.svtperformance.com/forums/member.php?u=11120
Thanks Hayden!
Everything I can think of at this point and time.
Engine:
K&N air kit,
Ugly Steeda idler kit/pulley (sorry Steeda but its true, change your pulley looks already)
Odyssey battery and tray (battery cover removed)
LDC cooling mod
Blower:
Stock Eaton, no upper or lower pulley and non-ported
Stock throttle body and inlet/plenum
Fuel, Induction, and Tune:
SCT Tune on 93 in 60 degree weather made 440/419 SAE and it seen 9.1 pounds of boost and had 24 degrees timing in it…
Drivetrain/ Suspension:
MGW T-56 shifter
8.8 SRA with moser 31 splines and a torsen diff (welded tubes and tq boxes)
FRPP 3.73 gears
Steeda Antiroll bar (lightest one on the market)
SPEC stage III, stock recut flywheel
26 input spline
Drive shaft loop tied into Excessive’s custom made subframes
UPR K member and A arm setup with coilovers
Tokico adjustable shocks and struts
Steeda Sport Springs (Rear)
Aluminum upper and lower control arms with spherical bushings in the uppers
Exhaust:
MAC long tube headers
MAC 3” off road mid-pipe
MAC 3” catback dumps
Brakes:
Stock Cobra brakes and rotors in the front
GT calipers and rotors in the rear
Interior:
Corbeau FX1 Pro
No passenger, rear seats, and the rear seat delete kit taken out
Rear speakers, amp, and amp rack and front door speakers removed
Drivers side seat belt along with both back seat belts removed
Foam and glue scrapped behind all the moldings including the plastic and foam behind the door panels removed
Front most portion of the insulation pulled
Boots cut from the shifter area
Exterior:
2.5 Cowl Hood
Aluminum bumper supports (front and rear)
Support bars in the doors removed
Windshield wipers removed
Windshield wiper tank removed
Fog lights removed
Rear rubber wheels stops removed
Wheels and Tires:
Weld Draglites 15X8s and 15X3.5s with MT E.T. runners and 26X10 MT slicks and also used a set of 15X8s Prostars with Hoosier 26X9 slicks
Proud Member of the Mid-Atlantic Cobra Association
http://www.svtperformance.com/forums/member.php?u=11120
Thanks Hayden!
Everything I can think of at this point and time.
Engine:
K&N air kit,
Ugly Steeda idler kit/pulley (sorry Steeda but its true, change your pulley looks already)
Odyssey battery and tray (battery cover removed)
LDC cooling mod
Blower:
Stock Eaton, no upper or lower pulley and non-ported
Stock throttle body and inlet/plenum
Fuel, Induction, and Tune:
SCT Tune on 93 in 60 degree weather made 440/419 SAE and it seen 9.1 pounds of boost and had 24 degrees timing in it…
Drivetrain/ Suspension:
MGW T-56 shifter
8.8 SRA with moser 31 splines and a torsen diff (welded tubes and tq boxes)
FRPP 3.73 gears
Steeda Antiroll bar (lightest one on the market)
SPEC stage III, stock recut flywheel
26 input spline
Drive shaft loop tied into Excessive’s custom made subframes
UPR K member and A arm setup with coilovers
Tokico adjustable shocks and struts
Steeda Sport Springs (Rear)
Aluminum upper and lower control arms with spherical bushings in the uppers
Exhaust:
MAC long tube headers
MAC 3” off road mid-pipe
MAC 3” catback dumps
Brakes:
Stock Cobra brakes and rotors in the front
GT calipers and rotors in the rear
Interior:
Corbeau FX1 Pro
No passenger, rear seats, and the rear seat delete kit taken out
Rear speakers, amp, and amp rack and front door speakers removed
Drivers side seat belt along with both back seat belts removed
Foam and glue scrapped behind all the moldings including the plastic and foam behind the door panels removed
Front most portion of the insulation pulled
Boots cut from the shifter area
Exterior:
2.5 Cowl Hood
Aluminum bumper supports (front and rear)
Support bars in the doors removed
Windshield wipers removed
Windshield wiper tank removed
Fog lights removed
Rear rubber wheels stops removed
Wheels and Tires:
Weld Draglites 15X8s and 15X3.5s with MT E.T. runners and 26X10 MT slicks and also used a set of 15X8s Prostars with Hoosier 26X9 slicks
08-26-2007, 01:05 PM
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Damn thats a nice Cobra and great posts Mamba.
OP, you should be able to beat a stock Cobra and even a CAI/E Cobra maybe since they are challenging to launch. If you want to beat the faster ones, as well as faster LSX's around you the nitrous is a great way to do it.
Damn I wish I had bought a Sonic Blue Cobra. Smokey, you are a little off on your Cobra info, but thats what internet forums are for right?
OP, you should be able to beat a stock Cobra and even a CAI/E Cobra maybe since they are challenging to launch. If you want to beat the faster ones, as well as faster LSX's around you the nitrous is a great way to do it.
Damn I wish I had bought a Sonic Blue Cobra. Smokey, you are a little off on your Cobra info, but thats what internet forums are for right?
08-26-2007, 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by JKDZ28
2003 Cobra
JLT CAI
Magnaflow Catback
etc
vs
1998 Camaro SS M6
Lid, Lts, ORY, Borla, LS6 Intake
I make 340 rwhp
Cobra I raced is probably around 400rwhp
http://media.putfile.com/JKDZ28-vs-98Rsnake
JLT CAI
Magnaflow Catback
etc
vs
1998 Camaro SS M6
Lid, Lts, ORY, Borla, LS6 Intake
I make 340 rwhp
Cobra I raced is probably around 400rwhp
http://media.putfile.com/JKDZ28-vs-98Rsnake
08-26-2007, 01:16 PM
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[QUOTE] you must of spent alot of money 
Originally Posted by The Black Mamba
2003 Sonic Blue Cobra (440/419 SAE at stock boost) ... quickest and fastest no upper and no lower pulley, non-ported, and non-sprayed 03/04 Cobra in the Country! 11.013 @ 126.51 thanks to Excessive Motorsport
Proud Member of the Mid-Atlantic Cobra Association
Proud Member of the Mid-Atlantic Cobra Association
08-26-2007, 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by GMmexican
you must of spent alot of money
Sorry, think that was a mishap in communication. That is not my car. Just a long time member on www.svtperformance.com. I wish I could take credit, but I can't. The members name is ALMO, and I posted a link to his page on svt if you click above...
I was just posting that to show smokey that he made low 11s at only 440whp
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08-26-2007, 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by The Black Mamba
I was just posting that to show smokey that he made low 11s at only 440whp
11.29 with minimal mods on Nittos in a full weight Cobra on IRS
back in 2003. Fbodies have done the same though so it's really
no big deal.
08-26-2007, 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by unit213
If that's all you were trying to get at, I could've helped. I went
11.29 with minimal mods on Nittos in a full weight Cobra on IRS
back in 2003. Fbodies have done the same though so it's really
no big deal.
11.29 with minimal mods on Nittos in a full weight Cobra on IRS
back in 2003. Fbodies have done the same though so it's really
no big deal.
08-26-2007, 02:02 PM
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LMFAO. You really think a guy with just a torquer cam is putting down 430whp? You my friend are delusional...
He'd be lucky to put down that with stage 3 LS6 heads. I have seen plenty of cars with heads and MS4 cams put down only 450-460whp, and that cam is MUCH better for peak hp.
Okay, as stated from the factory. A completely stock Pontiac Firebird Trans Am weighs in at an astonishing 3,499lbs. The Cobra weighs in at an amazing 3,665lbs... Oh uh, so where is this extra 150lbs coming from? I'm not seeing it. I calculated out 166lbs, so where?
Oh yeah, lets not forget that with a pair of lighter rims, AND a solid axle, the car will weigh the same as your Fbody. Uh oh...
This coming from a 3rd gen owner? Maybe if you were spraying a 300shot I may take your side, but you have heads and cam. I'd say you need to STFU.
Also, C5 corvettes ran high 12s, but people say they're fast. Cobras run mid 12s. Whats your point?
HUH??? You are talking about a car that has a completely built 9", slicks, full suspension weighs 3,000lbs WITH driver and has a T-Rex cam. Come on man... I'm tired of hearing people rant about this car. That car is set up for one thing. Drag racing... If you did a twin screw, solid axle, slicks, full suspension and made it 3,150lbs with driver, lets see who is faster... It's easy enough to know who would win buddy...
He'd be lucky to put down that with stage 3 LS6 heads. I have seen plenty of cars with heads and MS4 cams put down only 450-460whp, and that cam is MUCH better for peak hp.
Okay, as stated from the factory. A completely stock Pontiac Firebird Trans Am weighs in at an astonishing 3,499lbs. The Cobra weighs in at an amazing 3,665lbs... Oh uh, so where is this extra 150lbs coming from? I'm not seeing it. I calculated out 166lbs, so where?
Oh yeah, lets not forget that with a pair of lighter rims, AND a solid axle, the car will weigh the same as your Fbody. Uh oh...
This coming from a 3rd gen owner? Maybe if you were spraying a 300shot I may take your side, but you have heads and cam. I'd say you need to STFU.
Also, C5 corvettes ran high 12s, but people say they're fast. Cobras run mid 12s. Whats your point?
HUH??? You are talking about a car that has a completely built 9", slicks, full suspension weighs 3,000lbs WITH driver and has a T-Rex cam. Come on man... I'm tired of hearing people rant about this car. That car is set up for one thing. Drag racing... If you did a twin screw, solid axle, slicks, full suspension and made it 3,150lbs with driver, lets see who is faster... It's easy enough to know who would win buddy...
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Ive walked on cobras with just boltons. You should be able to beat a bolton cobra if you have a cam and boltons or at least hang with it. and you definitely will beat a stock cobra with your mods, they wigh a hell of a lot more.
08-26-2007, 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by LSGunZ28
Ive walked on cobras with just boltons. You should be able to beat a bolton cobra if you have a cam and boltons or at least hang with it. and you definitely will beat a stock cobra with your mods, they wigh a hell of a lot more.
08-26-2007, 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by chemicalstylez
Everyone that drives those Cobra's suck complete *** at driving them anyway. I wouldn't be worried. Once in a blue moon do you find one with a good driver. Thats why they always want to go from a roll.....
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08-26-2007, 03:48 PM
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It's really hard to make an argument either way. My friend had an 03 Cobra with full bolt ons, ported blower, pulleys, etc with some weight reduction and we beat up on a lot of other 03/04 Cobras and F Bodys. He did get DESTROYED one night by a cam only/spray full weight LS1 F body on a radial.
08-26-2007, 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by JayplaySS2
Ive decided every American gearhead needs to own both a Cobra and an LS1 F-body to make sense of these stupid arguments. They both are worth the time and hassle to keep these reduntant arguments going.
