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Old Jul 24, 2019 | 06:48 AM
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On my daily driver i noticed a very slight power steering type whine. I popped the hood and noticed all of my hard a.c. lines are white and cold to the touch. I guess it's condensation freezing. when I turn the air on its instantly super cold. used to take 5 seconds or so to begin blowing cold air. thoughts.....
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Old Jul 24, 2019 | 09:00 AM
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Sounds to me like you're missing some refrigerant. If you lose enough the low pressure sensor will flip and the a/c won't work at all, but if you just lose some the orifice tube can actually work too efficiently and freeze the lines over. But I'd be surprised your a/c is still working well if that's the case, usually the condenser freezes over and can't suck the heat out of the air in the cabin.
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Old Jul 24, 2019 | 09:21 PM
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the lines are cold even after it sits overnight. so even when the pump isn't running the lines are cold
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power steering whine is common for the F-body....... You can try the turkey baster method and change your fluid out.

The A/C sounds like you are low on 134a

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power steering whine is common for the F-body....... You can try the turkey baster method and change your fluid out.

The A/C sounds like you are low on 134a

Good luck
this is my beater car, ford taurus
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Old Jul 25, 2019 | 06:04 PM
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Also with the other guys on low refrigerant. All the things you stated point to it. Being cold right when you turn it on. Being cold when the system is off. The static charge, when correct, is usually very close to ambient temp. Also surprised system is still running. Bad low pressure switch also? Or just not triggered yet? Good luck man.

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ok so if its low then i guess i have a leak somewhere and it will eventually all leak and not work. yea its super ice cold for 10-15 seconds then gets to a normal ac temp. out of curiosity why does low refrigerant cause these issues. i have no knowledge on ac systems....

side note, after i drove it to work yesterday without ever running the ac, when i turn the key off i here ac noises, like similar to like an old refrigerator grumbling and making those weird hissing/bubbling noises after it kicks off. or a window ac unit, better example. im sure you guys no the noise im describing
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Boyle's Law. With very little refrigerant in the lines, the pressure differential as the gas expands from being compressed into a liquid is greater, resulting in more expansion and colder temperatures
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Originally Posted by Floorman279
ok so if its low then i guess i have a leak somewhere and it will eventually all leak and not work. yea its super ice cold for 10-15 seconds then gets to a normal ac temp. out of curiosity why does low refrigerant cause these issues. i have no knowledge on ac systems....

side note, after i drove it to work yesterday without ever running the ac, when i turn the key off i here ac noises, like similar to like an old refrigerator grumbling and making those weird hissing/bubbling noises after it kicks off. or a window ac unit, better example. im sure you guys no the noise im describing
True. Should be a leak somewhere. As to why the system is still running may be a fault with a pressure switch but just a guess and cannot be sure with that. As Project Daily stated temp. is correlated with A/C line pressure. In an easy way to understand, the low side pressures may be around 40psi which is close to what the EVAP temp. will be. As that is what the air has to cool it down before it gets to the vents. As on the high side the line pressure can be 150-200psi which is why those lines are hot to the touch & prob. close temp. to pressure.

Just as an opinion on what I would do. Have the car hooked to an A/C machine for recover, vacuum, & recharge. Before recharge make sure they add some oil with the UV dye. As now the next time it leaks out it should not be too hard to find the leak point with UV light & glasses. Or just visual inspect around all A/C components & lines looking for signs of oil or some dirt/debris sticking to oil. The UV dye helps a lot with finding exactly where leak is or leaks are.
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my wife told me her ac stopped working today
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OP never stated if he confirmed the compressor was staying on continuously, so it could just be whatever residual cold refrigerant is in the evaporator transferring before returning to ambient. If the compressor never turns on, or turns on for a few seconds and kicks off, the low pressure switch is still doing it's job. If the compressor does stay on continuously with low pressure, the switch is bad. Either way, confirm that before using A/C again so you don't burn up the compressor.
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we never left the ac on. during all this when i knew something was wrong i would turn it on for a few seconds then turn off......so if i don't have any air blowing out the vents does that mean the compressor is not running? can the compressor be running and there be no air out the vents? dont think im goona worry about fixing just trying to learn about it for future knowledge...
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we never left the ac on. during all this when i knew something was wrong i would turn it on for a few seconds then turn off......so if i don't have any air blowing out the vents does that mean the compressor is not running? can the compressor be running and there be no air out the vents? dont think im goona worry about fixing just trying to learn about it for future knowledge...
The fans can run without the compressor being on, but the compressor can not run without the fans being on. In regular operation, whenever you have the a/c switched on the fans run continuously, but the compressor toggles on and off several times a minute.
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