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07-31-2002, 03:54 PM

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How do you know they wouldn't have gotten the same results with a different oil?

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07-31-2002, 04:11 PM

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Maybe they would have with an oil that's as good or better and if you can name one , I may consider trying it. But Patman ..seriously, at this point I think you are flogging a dead horse.

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07-31-2002, 04:33 PM

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I'm running it and have been pleased with the results. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

Patman, where do you send your oil to get tested? There was a place called BlackStone or something that I saw once. I would be willing to send in my oil to see what happens.

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07-31-2002, 06:53 PM

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<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by StevieZ:
Maybe they would have with an oil that's as good or better and if you can name one , I may consider trying it. But Patman ..seriously, at this point I think you are flogging a dead horse.<hr /></blockquote>How do you figure? You still haven't proven anything to me at all here. Why is it that Royal Purple users refuse to believe there are better oils out there?

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07-31-2002, 06:56 PM

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<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by ShooterSS:
I'm running it and have been pleased with the results. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

Patman, where do you send your oil to get tested? There was a place called BlackStone or something that I saw once. I would be willing to send in my oil to see what happens.

<img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> <hr /></blockquote>Don't send your oil to Blackstone, they don't give all the proper info needed. Send it to Terry Dyson:

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/terry.html

Not only does his results come with more info, but he makes himself available to fully explain the results to you in great detail. When I get my analysis results back, I email back and forth with him a half dozen times with my ten billion questions. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> Even when I don't have an analysis going, I still shoot him questions once in a while to pick his brain. He knows a TON about oil, he's been in the biz over 20 years, and has engine building experience too.

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07-31-2002, 07:14 PM

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<blockquote>quote:<hr />How do you figure? You still haven't proven anything to me at all here. Why is it that Royal Purple users refuse to believe there are better oils out there? <hr /></blockquote>Nor have you proven anything to me other than your desire to put down this product when you have absolutely no experience with it. Name me an oil that you consider better and I will try it. So far of the 3 mentioned here in this thread, RP is the one I had the best result with. Redline + AMSOIL have NOT given me the results that RP has and I have had Redline and AMSOIL in my Vette and both my Vipers. When you had your LS1 did you use any of these 3 fills? Believe me, the RP I use is the exact same price as the Redline street or race oil and I would be using the Redline if I had better results. I for one have used ALL 3 of these and not just read about them on "bob's the oil guy"

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07-31-2002, 08:26 PM

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I prefer Coastal straight 30 weight...or whatever no-name brand I can find at the local Kuntry-Mart. I also feel that a filter does it's job best when it's mostly clogged (makes sense, less room for dirt to slip through) so each time I have to replace a worn engine I swap the old filter onto my new engine. In fact, this filter is on it's fourth LS1 and is still going strong! Sure, my oil pressure is only 5-15 psi but that really seems to free up some extra HP due to less oil splashing around in there needlessly...kinda like a poor man's windage tray.

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07-31-2002, 09:42 PM

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Next thing you know, Colonel is going to tell us to put saw dust in the differential fluid. LOL

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Steve I was reporting what some MORON at RP told me.I didnt believe it either so before u try and sound all impressive with your Viper and 2 Vettes of which i could give a rats *** about and have nothing to do with the topic I say run what u think is good for u.

For me its REDLINE.....

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08-01-2002, 04:43 AM

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<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by StevieZ:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />How do you figure? You still haven't proven anything to me at all here. Why is it that Royal Purple users refuse to believe there are better oils out there? <hr /></blockquote>Nor have you proven anything to me other than your desire to put down this product when you have absolutely no experience with it. Name me an oil that you consider better and I will try it. So far of the 3 mentioned here in this thread, RP is the one I had the best result with. Redline + AMSOIL have NOT given me the results that RP has and I have had Redline and AMSOIL in my Vette and both my Vipers. When you had your LS1 did you use any of these 3 fills? Believe me, the RP I use is the exact same price as the Redline street or race oil and I would be using the Redline if I had better results. I for one have used ALL 3 of these and not just read about them on "bob's the oil guy"<hr /></blockquote>You may have used all three, but I still haven't seen any oil analysis results from you. I see you insulting Bob's message board, but this makes no sense, because unlike you, these guys do oil analysis and have actual proof of what they say. Just because you run an oil and are saying "it's good" means nothing to me.

By the way, I consider a lot of oils better than RP, such as Schaeffers, Amsoil and Redline. Oil analysis results I have seen on these three are superior to the ones I have seen on RP so far. Until I see otherwise, I just don't feel that RP is a quality product. I call it as I see it. I think we're going to have to agree that neither one of us is going to convince the other one here.

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08-01-2002, 06:06 AM

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Where do you see an insult towards the site "Bob is the oil guy"???
Re-read the post. And here you go again! Naming 3 oils that you have only read about. If youi would remember in an earlier thread, I talked about an AMSOIL that had great specs and even posted the spec sheet. Well I used that oil and was VERY disappointed with what I saw on the magnetic plug. TONS of crap. Now you can read all you like about an oil but as far as I am concerned , when I see metal particulate on the drain plug I take that as a sign of wear and both Redline and AMSOIL leave a fair amount where as RP leaves none.THAT is all the proof I need. Schaeffers is an oil I am willing to try, unlike you who just reads and talks about it.

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in my personal opinion this is just like a vig vs yank debate. Everybody has they're brand. I'm taking a guess that if at any point you have engine problems the last reason is going to be because you ran RP, Redline, or Amsoil. Myself, i run RP and am very happy with it so far. Redline and Amsoil are probably just as good but i feel RP is fine for me . Thank You. Goodnight <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

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08-01-2002, 06:35 AM

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<blockquote>quote:<hr />in my personal opinion this is just like a vig vs yank debate. Everybody has they're brand. I'm taking a guess that if at any point you have engine problems the last reason is going to be because you ran RP, Redline, or Amsoil. Myself, i run RP and am very happy with it so far. Redline and Amsoil are probably just as good but i feel RP is fine for me . Thank You. Goodnight <hr /></blockquote>In some respects you are abosolutely right but what ticks me off here is all these self proclaimed engineers who draw conclusions from data they don't fully understand just because they read it on the internet.
<blockquote>quote:<hr />You may have used all three, but I still haven't seen any oil analysis results from you. I see you insulting Bob's message board, but this makes no sense, because unlike you, these guys do oil analysis and have actual proof of what they say. Just because you run an oil and are saying "it's good" means nothing to me.

By the way, I consider a lot of oils better than RP, such as Schaeffers, Amsoil and Redline. Oil analysis results I have seen on these three are superior to the ones I have seen on RP so far. Until I see otherwise, I just don't feel that RP is a quality product. I call it as I see it. I think we're going to have to agree that neither one of us is going to convince the other one here.
<hr /></blockquote>I did not "insult" Bob's message board and yes you are absolutely right in saying that you won't convince me. The difference though, is that I am not trying to convince you. I am sticking up for a product that you seem to go out of your way to criticize ,because I feel it is superior because I have used it and felt and seen the results with my own eyes. I didn't draw a conclusion from 1 oil analysis that I read about. What you have to realize is that some people here consider you to be knowledgeable on the subject of oils and I find it extremely immature on your part to be knocking a product you have absolutely no experience with other than having read 1 single oil analysis report and then drawing a conclusion. You are sitting here telling me that Schaeffers is better and RP is not so good just because you read about it on the internet? I value that information but only so far. The fact is you have absolutely no experience with either product.
<blockquote>quote:<hr />I performed field trials last year on the street 5w-30 and 10w-30 RP products. They are a good value for a higher end product. We tested RP in Honda 4 cyl engines with good results, one drain interval was 9000 + Miles. I have quite a few analysis customers using the products with good results.
Synerlec is proprietary, good luck figuring it out.
The base is PAO , adds are in hydrocracked carrier oil. Uses Moly as boundary layer lube add.
Founder of company is a genius. <hr /></blockquote> <blockquote>quote:<hr />RP has very low wear in our tests, sheared to 20w at one point but wear control did not suffer. I forget exactly why but fuel dilution may have been a issue. <hr /></blockquote> <blockquote>quote:<hr />To correct my earlier statement on shearing of RP; We saw one of a series of tests go to 9.3 cSt whic is the lower limit of 30w, not 20w. Fuel was an issue. 1.6L honda 4 cyl
Second Honda test engine(2.0L) series ran into vis going to 13.8 cSt whic is solidly 40w. No wear degredation on either engine. <hr /></blockquote>THOSE are quotes from the fellow Terry Dyson, who did Trevor's analysis on the Royal Purple. Notice how he states that he did MULTIPLE tests and had good results? He didn't draw a conclusion reading the results of 1 test !
The line I love is " Synerlec is proprietary, good luck figuring it out."

Patman, I will take Terry's opinion over yours any day of the week! <blockquote>quote:<hr />Perhaps it's dino oil made from Barney the Purple dinosaur <hr /></blockquote>Do you recognize that quote Patman? That's you over on "Bob is the oil guy" and it fully demonstrates your biased,( for what ever reason),borderline slanderous attitude towards a really good product.

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<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by StevieZ:
Schaeffers is an oil I am willing to try, unlike you who just reads and talks about it.<hr /></blockquote>Excuse me?? I just so happen to have a case of the Schaeffers 10w30 blend in my basement right now ready to go in my car on the next oil change. And unlike you, I won't use metal shavings on a plug to determine the quality of an oil, I'll have an oil analysis done since that's the only way to truly determine an oil's quality.

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By the way, I've seen more than one single analysis on Royal Purple, and in every case the oil had thinned out below it's original starting point. That to me says it's just not a durable oil. Why would someone with a high performance engine want to run an oil that thins out so easily? Even if it has a good barrier lube in it, it is still disturbing to see an oil thin out from it's original starting point, in such a low amount of mileage.

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08-01-2002, 07:59 AM

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One last thing Stevie. Why don't you shut me up by getting an oil analysis done on the Royal Purple in your car? If I see a good result I will admit that I am wrong. Until I see a good result, I stand by my opinion of Royal Purple.

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<blockquote>quote:<hr />Excuse me?? I just so happen to have a case of the Schaeffers 10w30 blend in my basement right now ready to go in my car on the next oil change. And unlike you, I won't use metal shavings on a plug to determine the quality of an oil, I'll have an oil analysis done since that's the only way to truly determine an oil's quality <hr /></blockquote>Well my apologies then but I still think your vendetta against Royal Purple is unfounded as demonstrated by the findings of Terry Dyson and the quotes in my previous post. I'm glad I found these quotes because I now believe in the product more than ever even without the supplementary aid of my own oil analysis and I will also take your opinion a little less seriously .
<blockquote>quote:<hr />And unlike you, I won't use metal shavings on a plug to determine the quality of an oil, I'll have an oil analysis done since that's the only way to truly determine an oil's quality. <hr /></blockquote>Well my rings and bearings are toast but my oil is still good! <img border="0" alt="[jester]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_jest.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[jester]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_jest.gif" />

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<blockquote>quote:<hr />By the way, I've seen more than one single analysis on Royal Purple, and in every case the oil had thinned out below it's original starting point. That to me says it's just not a durable oil. Why would someone with a high performance engine want to run an oil that thins out so easily? Even if it has a good barrier lube in it, it is still disturbing to see an oil thin out from it's original starting point, in such a low amount of mileage. <hr /></blockquote>Again I will quote Terry Dyson.... <blockquote>quote:<hr /> To correct my earlier statement on shearing of RP; We saw one of a series of tests go to 9.3 cSt whic is the lower limit of 30w, not 20w. Fuel was an issue. 1.6L honda 4 cyl
Second Honda test engine(2.0L) series ran into vis going to 13.8 cSt whic is solidly 40w. No wear degredation on either engine. <hr /></blockquote> <blockquote>quote:<hr />One last thing Stevie. Why don't you shut me up by getting an oil analysis done on the Royal Purple in your car? If I see a good result I will admit that I am wrong. Until I see a good result, I stand by my opinion of Royal Purple. <hr /></blockquote>I will most definitely send some oil for analysis at my next interval! <blockquote>quote:<hr /> <hr /></blockquote>

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