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Mar 10, 2009 | 08:26 PM

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...but had to make a 2 hour drive each way to help a buddy sell his Z06 today.

Whaaaat, is that John's Z06? lol

Is a Viper on it's way?..

Also, pm sent.

Mar 10, 2009 | 10:02 PM

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When the head is hot, the aluminum expands in all directions wrt to the steel of the spark plugs (...the hole gets bigger...)... all directions includes the "vertical" direction (i.e. along the spark plug bore centerline)... this causes the aluminum threads to bind/lock on the steel threads... various service manuals show diagrams of this;

this is why you shouldn't remove the plugs from a hot aluminum head... it risks pulling the aluminum threads out...

But, you had something else going on:
- overtightening of the plugs,
- corrosion in the steel plug material (weakening like you said),
- binding for various reasons (no antiseize, heat, possibly even steel-aluminum electrochemical reaction),

all came together to cause trouble.

Hope you're feeling better, and hope you get it all fixed up soon (nothing's worse than being sick and then have your car break on you).

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Mar 11, 2009 | 12:10 AM

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Whaaaat, is that John's Z06? lol

Is a Viper on it's way?..

Also, pm sent.

not a Viper... something else

PM replied!

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Thanks Joe... I don't know why there would be a steel-aluminum electrochemical reaction... i mean it makes sense, but so many others on here are running NGK's with AFR heads with no issues... but all your other points make total sense...

I'll go over to my buddies house and take some pics of the car tomorrow and post em up for everyone... Probably won't be able to actually work on the car though for a few days or so... work + school = little money and no time

Mar 11, 2009 | 12:31 AM

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talked to a machine shop today... this was pretty much our conversation....

Roger: why did they put anti-sieze on there?

Me: ...... well..... that's what your supposed to do.

Roger: no your not... your supposed to put dio-electric grease on there.

Me: yea on the connections... not the threads

Roger: No... your supposed to put it on the threads...

Me:

:wtf:

Me: why would you not use anti-seize on the threads and put dioelectric grease on there?

Roger: the anti-seize will stop the spark plug from creating current and making a good ground...

Me: ...... uh.....

Roger: Real race shops use dio-electric grease...

Me: oh... well ok then Roger, thanks, talk to you later

so......... I guess I'll keep searching for another shop

Mar 11, 2009 | 12:54 AM

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so......... I guess I'll keep searching for another shop

WTF????

BTW, who put those spark plugs in? I just tighten mine by hand pretty snug but I know not to go too crazy on them. They are only supposed to be torqued to 15 lb/ft. And of course i put anti-seize on the threads. This sucks for you and now i worry about future removal of my spark plugs lol.

Mar 11, 2009 | 07:12 AM

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Sorry to hear about your problems, hopefully you'll figure everything out. I can't believe the machine shop didn't use anti-seize.

You don't need much anti-seize at all. Just a little at the threads closet to the electrode. When you install the plugs, the anti-sieze will work it's way down the threads.

Good luck.

Mar 11, 2009 | 02:52 PM

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so......... I guess I'll keep searching for another shop

wow, thats crazy. Thats kind of strange seeing how dielectric grease is non-conductive as well.

Mar 11, 2009 | 09:21 PM

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As Grifter said, don't use too much anti seize or you will have the same problom next time.

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Mar 12, 2009 | 09:44 PM

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K guys... got some pics of the heads finally... in the first post...

I'll try and get some more of my engine bay tomorrow... when I went to my friends house to get these pics I forgot my damn keys to the car

so I couldn't open the hood

Mar 13, 2009 | 03:12 AM

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Seeing as how that's an aftermarket cast head, maybe the metal-metal chemical interact theory holds some credence? Does anyone know the differences in the materials and how GM heads and AFR heads are cast?

Mar 13, 2009 | 01:24 PM

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Bet you'll use anti-seize next time. You can reuse your exhaust gasket and ARP bolts but do not reuse the head gasket.

Mar 13, 2009 | 03:05 PM

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Bet you'll use anti-seize next time. You can reuse your exhaust gasket and ARP bolts but do not reuse the head gasket.

I've already applied it to the new plugs... that shiat is caked on there!

Mar 13, 2009 | 03:19 PM

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Hand tight only, then put the ratchet on there and give it a little ***** snug..not even a 1/8 turn.

Mar 13, 2009 | 04:26 PM

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1/16 turn after the plug is hand seated.

Mar 16, 2009 | 08:56 PM

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more pics added on post # 2

Mar 16, 2009 | 09:07 PM

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so......... I guess I'll keep searching for another shop

Stay far, far away from that shop.

Anyway, I have had that happen on iron heads but never aluminum. You should be able to pull those right out with an E-Z out now that the heads are off of the car. Put some Aero-kroil on them overnight and they'll come out in the morning. As posted above, never pull plugs from a hot head... it can only CAUSE trouble. Are you running some kind of octane booster or fuel additive? It looks like you've got some strange discoloration for normal pump gas. If you are using something, it could be causing a chemical reaction. I am used to seeing some oil leeching up through the threads if anything...

Hope this helps.

Shane

Mar 17, 2009 | 01:23 AM

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Thanks for the input Shane

yea, I found another shop that also mentioned an easy-out method and they said they'd get it done right. If they couldn't do it, then they said they know another shop that they use for tough jobs like this that can... so, that makes me feel a little better... gonna drop my head off to them on Wednesday

as far as the discoloration goes... what parts are you talking about specifically?

no I'm just using regular 'ole 91 octane chevron gas

Mar 17, 2009 | 09:05 AM

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I've already applied it to the new plugs... that shiat is caked on there!

I would not cake them on there..... Also go with TR6 plugs too

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Mar 17, 2009 | 11:29 AM

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The red streaks and the greenish tint of the insulator. Also, there is some greenish gray pitting on the threads... Its really strange that his happened to you. NGK's come with a coating to prevent gaulling in aluminum and may normally be used with or without anti-seize.

Let us know how it comes out...