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Old Nov 12, 2003 | 10:49 AM
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Does the MSD ignition work with the stock coil packs? Or are the packs eliminated?
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Old Nov 12, 2003 | 03:59 PM
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I have the link for a pic here
http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive/...7118_pro_e.gif
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Old Nov 12, 2003 | 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by strife
now thats going to be interesting

This is the first time I seen a pic of this thing.

I am disappointed to say the least.

It is a small square flange dual plane manifold.

The only reason I could see to carb an LS1 is for racing.

This intake is clearly not meant for that.
For a street application you'd be much better off leaving F/I on it.

Hopefully they got a dominator square flange open manifold in the works!
On N/A pro racing the dominator still rules F/I got a way to go...
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Old Nov 12, 2003 | 10:42 PM
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ok im confused already......everyone is saying it on this thread but i dont know what it means

what is a carb?

i know it has to do with the fuel delivery
is this some kind of ancient system used by people in the early days?
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Old Nov 12, 2003 | 11:06 PM
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What a mockery!! I wonder how much horsepower you'd lose going back to "ancient" carburetion? The old aftermarket manuafacturers just don't f*ckin' get it. I don't think they can. They've sunk so much investment into the old stuff, and the R&D cost of the new hardware, to them, would make their prices so damn high nobody would touch it. This is where the pond turns over, and new guys (businesses) come on the scene. This rates up there with the solid aluminum "heatsink" LS1 manifold I saw, that was recently introduced on the market.
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Old Nov 12, 2003 | 11:24 PM
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this product would be much better if it was a high rise single plane setup

the thought of putting a carb on an ls1 with electonic timing made me start to drool, but a low rise dual plane setup would not be in the right direction

and carbs are far from ancient, sure they were around before fuel injection, however the advances in carbs is astonishing and for a drag setup, cant beat a carb
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Old Nov 12, 2003 | 11:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Tally TransAm
this product would be much better if it was a high rise single plane setup

the thought of putting a carb on an ls1 with electonic timing made me start to drool, but a low rise dual plane setup would not be in the right direction

and carbs are far from ancient, sure they were around before fuel injection, however the advances in carbs is astonishing and for a drag setup, cant beat a carb
Yep, if they would have made it look like this single plane intake for a ford:

We might have seen a lot more intrest.
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Old Nov 13, 2003 | 07:36 AM
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Some of you guys should start your own company of making intakes. Since you obviously know more then one of the biggest and oldest companies in the industry .

I find it hard to believe that someone can doubt the performance capabilities of this intake, before they even have any facts to back it up. This is brand new territory for the LS, lets wait to see some hp numbers before we bash.

This is a RPM intake, for a carb aplication, they have always been dual planes. I'm sure a Victor single plane will be here shortly.

Also, if tuned right, carb will make more hp then EFI. In theory.
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Old Nov 13, 2003 | 08:26 AM
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how dissapointing indeed..carb?

he's gonna make money from older guys who want to swap and don't know how to deal with efi or whatever...but please..

what next bias plias tires?
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Old Nov 13, 2003 | 08:49 AM
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Maybe you need to be informed that Edelbrock was one of the 1st companies to even offer after-market fuel injection. The Pro-Flow came out about 15 years ago.

How many EFI systems have you designed?
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Old Nov 13, 2003 | 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Tally TransAm
and carbs are far from ancient, sure they were around before fuel injection, however the advances in carbs is astonishing and for a drag setup, cant beat a carb
Compared to modern day EFI systems, yes it is old hat technology. Sure they have done a number of improvements on a carburetor in racing, but that's only because they have to. They still use carbs in racing for a few reasons, one is to control costs, and the other is to keep the speeds of the cars down, or they'd be going faster. NASCAR participants are damn near 200mph cars now. If they went to EFI God only knows. The speeds would exceed what most of the tracks are designed to handle, and that endangers the viewing public and the race participants. That is why they do it!
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Old Nov 13, 2003 | 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Excal
how dissapointing indeed..carb?

he's gonna make money from older guys who want to swap and don't know how to deal with efi or whatever...but please..

what next bias plias tires?
Exactly!! I couldn't agree with you more!
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Old Nov 13, 2003 | 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Slammed'99
Maybe you need to be informed that Edelbrock was one of the 1st companies to even offer after-market fuel injection. The Pro-Flow came out about 15 years ago.

How many EFI systems have you designed?
I'm thinking of Hilborn, Weber, and Offenhauser, that were way before Vic Edelbrock had his thing going. The Germans had fuel injection as far back as the late 1920's.

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Old Nov 13, 2003 | 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by sawedoff
Compared to modern day EFI systems, yes it is old hat technology. Sure they have done a number of improvements on a carburetor in racing, but that's only because they have to. They still use carbs in racing for a few reasons, one is to control costs, and the other is to keep the speeds of the cars down, or they'd be going faster. NASCAR participants are damn near 200mph cars now. If they went to EFI God only knows. The speeds would exceed what most of the tracks are designed to handle, and that endangers the viewing public and the race participants. That is why they do it!
You make me laugh............at your ignorance.
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Old Nov 13, 2003 | 08:24 PM
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i agree
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Old Nov 13, 2003 | 09:11 PM
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I second that.
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Old Nov 13, 2003 | 09:15 PM
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Question, what is the fastest N/A gasoline V-8's let's say 1/4 mile, their size, ignition & fuel system?

It 's gonna be a while when it is a fuel injected set up.
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Old Nov 13, 2003 | 09:43 PM
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My eyes are beginning to bleed. Who cares as long as it hauls azz. Carb, FI, EFI, afterburner , it's all good and all have merits!
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Old Nov 13, 2003 | 11:14 PM
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Just because it is available doesn't mean you have to buy it.

I personally have no use for it but I could care less if the guy next door wants to pick up 10HP and get 6 MPG

On an older car it could be cool, it would be easier to swap and you'ld have no expensive injectors, massair meters... etc to mess with.

And no damn LS1 edit or paying for PCM tunes!
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Old Nov 14, 2003 | 07:22 AM
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"I'm thinking of Hilborn, Weber, and Offenhauser, that were way before Vic Edelbrock had his thing going. The Germans had fuel injection as far back as the late 1920's."

There were all MECHANICAL fuel injection! Just a little bit of difference there, and I'm saying that sarcatically!
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