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Old 07-04-2011, 01:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul Bell
bpowell hasn't posted anything anywhere on LS1tech.com in almost a year, I think he's gone.

I'm still wondering, nobody ever responded to my question, posted twice. Surely, somebody knows?

The setup shown above has a four barrel throttle body between the elbow and the intake manifold.

The other way to do it is the elbow directly on the manifold with a stock style throttle body in the inlet tube just after the air filter.

Which method is better, or produces more power?
The carb style throttle body will do much better. The elbow is a restriction most of the time.
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Resurrecting from the dead instead of starting a new thread. I have a stock cubed 346 that I am going after the GTO stock bottom end rexord with. I am spraying a 250 shot. I had a NW92tb and and a fast 92 intake. I hade a nitrous backfire so I switched to the super Vic and bought a 6061.com elbow and was planning on running my 92mm tb. Would I be better off with the 4150 or 4500? Or will my setup not need that much air nor have a restriction worth swaping parts over. Last thing I want is to lose power from the fast 92 to the super Vic.
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Originally Posted by ArklaTexan
Resurrecting from the dead instead of starting a new thread. I have a stock cubed 346 that I am going after the GTO stock bottom end rexord with. I am spraying a 250 shot. I had a NW92tb and and a fast 92 intake. I hade a nitrous backfire so I switched to the super Vic and bought a 6061.com elbow and was planning on running my 92mm tb. Would I be better off with the 4150 or 4500? Or will my setup not need that much air nor have a restriction worth swaping parts over. Last thing I want is to lose power from the fast 92 to the super Vic.
4150 or 4500 TB with a nitrous plate. The new Nitrous Outlet Stinger plate is good for a single entry 400 shot and would mate up to either a 4150 or 4500 TB. I would not go with a elbow; too restrictive.
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Originally Posted by Rise of the Phoenix
4150 or 4500 TB with a nitrous plate. The new Nitrous Outlet Stinger plate is good for a single entry 400 shot and would mate up to either a 4150 or 4500 TB. I would not go with a elbow; too restrictive.
My super Vic already has a nitrous outlet spray bar built into it. So what are all the parts I would need to run a 4150 or 4500. Where do you put a filter? I'm guessing you are then forced into speed density tuning?
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Originally Posted by ArklaTexan
My super Vic already has a nitrous outlet spray bar built into it. So what are all the parts I would need to run a 4150 or 4500. Where do you put a filter? I'm guessing you are then forced into speed density tuning?
Here is the list that I'm going off of. Another member who has this setup posted it. Yes, SD tune would be needed, but that's not a big deal, as you'd need a re-tune either way. The filter would go right on top of the TB. There are a few pics on here if you search.

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Scorpion 4150 TB $530
28095 Super Vic. $410
3638 Edelbrock fuel rails $110
TC1000U36 Lokar cable(cut to fit) $50
15152 Jegs throttle cable bracket $65
Fel-Pro Q13123 intake gasket $30
RGR501 fuel rail kit from Speed Inc. $110
9749 (2) 45* elbows $40
9849 Spectre carb hat $75
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Well I am most of the way there. I already have a super Vic, fuel rails and fittings . So the carb had becoming a elbow and down to a filter is not as much a restriction as the standard 92mm tb to a elbow to the Vic? So I'm guessing the 4150 or 4500 just help straighten out airflow and give equal distribution to all cylinders?
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Yeah, with a 4150/4500 TB, there are no bends at all; just straight up and down. The issue for most is having to cut the cowl and clearance issues with the hood. If you run the Scorpion TB, you can use the stock hood because of its lower profile over TB's like Accufab and FAST.
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I drive a GTO and run a cowl hood . Hoping to have plenty of clearanxe.
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You are good on clearance my friend. Wish that was the case for me.
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does this need the throttle cable bracket? looks like it is built in. but I have no clue 100% if I need to buy that bracket to let me know. about to order it all from summit
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I have the set up you're looking for on my GTO,I'm using an accell 1250cfm tb.I'm going sd with a regular 4 barrel air cleaner on top.I had to get a couple of harness extensions for the iac and tps.
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http://www.summitracing.com/parts/lo...4000/overview/
Brand:
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Manufacturer's Part Number:
SRK-4000


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Bracket Mounting Style:
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Accepts Transmission Kickdown Cable:
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These Lokar stainless throttle cable brackets mount to the rear of your Holley, Edelbrock, AFB, Quadrajet, or inline dual carburetors. These brackets are used to mount Lokar's throttle cable and kickdown assemblies
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Originally Posted by george g
I have the set up you're looking for on my GTO,I'm using an accell 1250cfm tb.I'm going sd with a regular 4 barrel air cleaner on top.I had to get a couple of harness extensions for the iac and tps.
oh I have no problem making my own extensions and soldering lol. The scorpion has me intrigued. I think I am still going to do a carb had and run it to my svede intake instead of a round carb style filter. I just need to make sure I buy all the right assecories and brackets and such. don't want the car to be down that long.
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Originally Posted by george g
I have the set up you're looking for on my GTO,I'm using an accell 1250cfm tb.I'm going sd with a regular 4 barrel air cleaner on top.I had to get a couple of harness extensions for the iac and tps.
what carb hat are you running. I am sure I can flip the intake pretty quickly
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I'm just going to run the oval air cleaner (no carb hat) and go speed density.I modified my stock cable and bought bought the extension harnesses. I bought a bracket off of ebay and that I then bolted a modified stock ls1 bracket to it so I could reuse my shortened stock cable.
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so do I need to buy that black bracket that's in your picture? how hard is it to modify our cable? can you explain?>
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The cable end is jegs pt. no.=555-15730, but the one you'll need depends on the throttle body you buy.I just wanted you to see what the end looks like. The bracket I bought off ebay search for 4150 throttle cable bracket and you'll find them.
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I can post some pics of my vic jr and 4150 of anyone needs.


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