Get some Pacesetters coated!!!

 

Do it once and do it right! I got AR'S too.

 

QTP hands down. The only header that's going to give QTP's a run for their money in potential performance is American Racing and Edelbrock due to the merge collectors, and since Edelbrock's aren't stainless and QTP's are over $200 less than ARH and are ON SALE AT MPH, a sponsor, QTP's should be the clear choice. Besides, they're by far the best looking longtube on the market for f-bodys.

https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthrea...7783016&conly=

http://www.mphparts.com/mm5/merchant...Category_Code=

I love mine. They made a HUGE difference in the sound and feel of the car. No major issues on the install, either. The only thing that had to be removed was the drain plug in the oil pan.

 

not really

 

coated pacesetters.

 

My vote is for jet-hot. Comes with a 3 year coating warranty

 

Oh really?

American Racing Headers, Race version: $899.00
http://www.mphparts.com/mm5/merchant...BLS1EX-AMERRAC

Quicktime Performance Headers, Race version: $724.99
Currently ON SALE for: $684.99
http://www.mphparts.com/mm5/merchant...=FBLS1HDRS-QTP

Normally, ARH headers $175 more than QTP's. Now that QTP's are on sale, they cost $215 more than QTP's. What an incredible ripoff considering QTP's STILL have a better merge collector and have a much better finish.

That's a huge difference in price considering QTP's are just as good if not better than ARH's.

 

QTP's are teh best out there, but XS are hard to beat for the money, but defiantley go stainless

 

An incredible ripoff? Wow, it amazes me how many threads you've replied to with your opinions about headers (and everything else for that matter) and you're just now getting your own headers put on. I mean, I do searches and read your replies, and then I realize you don't even have/have never had the **** on your car. How do you know that QTP's are just as good? Have you ever even seen the ARH? Everything you buy is SO much better than anything else out there. See, here's the deal... When people who are new to this site, such as myself, ask for opinions on products, we are asking for the opinions of those with experience in these issues, such as installers or racers. We want to hear from people who have dealt with multiple brands and learned from their mistakes. When I ask which header someone recommends, I don't want to hear from somebody who hasn't even got a ******' set of headers on his car yet. Why don't you wait and post in the threads that apply to you. Go ahead with your QTP product and then you can use their POS y-pipe and have fitment problems or have a non-stainless one fabbed up like yours which looks like . Me, I'd much rather use my ARH with my ARH y-pipe which will fit perfectly. Please, give us all a break and.

 

Inevitably these posts turn this way. Like I answered in the beginning of this thread I've installed different sets of headers and all of them pretty much do the same thing some fit better than others, some last better than others, some are prettier etc.

Any of the choices listed here won't be a bad choice (although I haven't used the ebay headers) Kooks, ARH, QTP, pacesetters, edelbrock, hooker, jethot are all going to give you close to the same results. I like Kooks, ARH look nice, I had a QTP ypipe and it flowed wonderful but is the illest fitting POS I've owned. On the cheap side I've owned the Edelbrocks a nice setup, other people prefer the Pacesetter. Just like some people like Kooks and some QTP.

$200 more for a similar product is nothing really, I've bought stuff for 150 more from one vendor just cause I didn't want to deal with the vendor that had it on sale, so give it a break. That logic says that a Borla is a stupid thing to own because a magnaflow is $200 cheaper both stainless, both do the same thing. I'm not rich or anything but this stuff costs money, and going cheap can end up costing you more.

Unless we have back to back dyno's, ET's etc then this is all opion. Even fit from car to car is different. I've installed Pacesetters that slide in, others were a fight and I had to grind the block etc.

Thats why these header threads get annoying (other than the fact its gone over and over again) people throw an opinon out like its fact and jumps on the bandwagon of the header they own.

 

FACT: QTP's are ~$200 cheaper than ARH.

FACT: QTP's are the same grade of stainless steel as ARH

FACT: QTP's have the best merge collectors in the mass-produced, prefabricated header business for the f-body

FACT: QTP's are equal length, and they also claim to be the longest header on the market, which is why you get a few clearance issues every once in a while on the driver's side. I have no idea if ARH is, but I'd be willing to bet they aren't, as this is QTP's description:

You want the best long tube header? The longest long tube header on the market. The only equal length header.....
http://www.thunderracing.com/catalog...&vid=3&pcid=52


https://ls1tech.com/forums/dynamometer-results-comparisons/700678-results-qtp-hvmc-vs-pacesetters.html

The dyno above is a dyno of a car switching from Pacesetter longtubes to QTP longtubes. That is the ONLY difference, no different tune, no other mods. It's just a back to back dyno with nothing changed but headers. There is a 9rwhp peak gain, and an 18rwhp/30rwtq gain at ~3100 rpms. It has been proven that QTP's make SIGNIFICANT gains over Pacesetter, another longtube. It's PROVEN that QTP is one of the best design out there, if not the best design. Now, if you want to pay over $200 more for a header with an inferior finish and merge collector, be my guest. That's your decision, but you can't argue with fact. All I hear is you whining with nothing to back up your own biased opinions. I went with QTP because I did research. You're doing quite the opposite, where you're buying into hype and backing up ARH only because that's what you have.

Here's another fact: ARH simply hasn't been out long enough to get any real insight on them. They look like a nice header, but QTP's are time-tested and tried-and-true. ARH's are not. They're a newbie, and you need to understand that you're trying to back up a very high priced new kid on the block when the one you're comparing it to is a reasonably priced old veteran that has been a proven header for years.

You've been an LS1TECH member for 1 month. Please, don't try to come in here like you're someone important. Whining and complaining will get you nothing but this emoticon: Unlike you, I can back up my claims with numbers. What do you have, other than tears?

Now, please give me a reason why the ARH are worth over $200 more than QTP's? I'd like to hear your reasoning.

 

dAMn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Got Cha~!~ haha now i know which headers to go with thanks Ladys and GEntS!

 

Unless you have connections theyre cheaper

Ive heard of QTP's leaking at the collector I dont know if this is true, and QTP is starting to take short cuts in there manufacturing due to the increase in demand..... local guy i know had to notch his k-member !!!!! to get his to fit, so much for "best fit" . And on top of that there customer service is very lousy , No thanks Ill take my hard earned money to ARH.

Me and you almost have the same mods, we should have a dyno shootout QTP vs. ARH

 

Im sick of hearing the "get this or that header, they went in smooth as butter" blah blah blah. I put in my own kooks in my garage on jackstands and had NO issues. Now that isnt true for every kooks install. If you read install probs for headers you will come up with every manufacturer out there. I really dont think it is manufacturer error for most companies but more car differences. If you want cheap go pacesetter. If you want stainless there is quite a few good options. Just do your research, pick a couple you like, then close your eyes and just let your finger fall on one. Or flip a coin. Maybe rock paper scissors.

 

Listen Mr. Knowitall, your facts are ****. You just said that ARH are new to the scene which means you don't know a ******* thing about them or their quality. You obviously didn't do much research or you'd know the history behind Kooks and ARH. You obviously aren't familiar with ARH's reputation in the corvette crowd either. They're hardly a newbie. I know they're a great product because I have a set sitting in my garage. But, I'm not gonna tell everybody they're the greatest ******* thing since sliced bread, cause I don't have any facts to back that up. What I do know is that they're an exceptional set of stainless headers with an exceptional y-pipe which is a hell of alot more than you can say about your POS setup. I've seen better merges at 3-way intersections than what you have on that pile of **** you call a y-pipe. You don't know ****, except what you've read (from manufacturer claims) which is my ****** point. I may be new to this site but not new to life or cars. I've been around race cars (dirt track) all my life but I'm new to the Ls1 mods so I'm interested in input from people who know what the **** their talking about. Your graph shows **** also. We're not talking about pacesetters here. We're talking about imported polished stainless from overseas compared to the quality of American stainless ARH or Kooks headers. QTP's may be $200 cheaper for a reason. To me it was about getting a set of headers matched with the proper y-pipe and $200 isn't **** when you look at the cost of modding these cars. I spoke with Nick at ARH on several occasions and decided to go with his product because of the quality, fitment and the recommedations of people on this site with the product. My point with you is this: Instead of always chiming in with what you THINK is the best, how bout just keeping your mouth shut and letting someone who KNOWS do the talking. Or just say, "I have QTP and they work great for me." But no, you can't leave it at that, you have to say, "QTP are the greatest and ARH are a ripoff and blah, blah, blah...." You don't ******* know **** about comparing the two so why try? Do you know for a fact that QTP are the only equal length header? Do you know for a fact that they have the best merge collector? No...you don't know, you've never compared the two. Hell, you just got your own freakin' set on. You're basing everything on the manufacturer's claims. Are you that naive? Let someone who has dealt with both products do the talking...Oh and just because you have 10 million posts doesn't mean **** to me either. After reading your replies, you probably should have closer to 3 'cause it seems like that's about how many you've actually known what the hell you were talking about in. I'm not "trying to act like someone important" or whining and complaining about any thing on this site other than you ruining all the threads that some of us are trying to gain useful information from. Oh and those tears...they're from laughing at your y-pipe!!!

 

I agree with you 100%...QTP might have USED to be the best header but since they started taking short cut they definatly aint. QTP told me they changed the design and added a weld in the primary for better clearance. If there so good I wonder why my passenger side header sits on my k member. QTP's customer service is just plumb rediculous aswell...they should never curse at customers over the phone the way they did with me. I only know one thing if i had to go back over I woulda went ARH for sure it woulda been worth the extra money. I'm only trying to save a fellow member of LS1 tech from goin through the same headaches i went through.

 

Jet-Hot if you're on a budget. They're not much more than Pacesetter and come with a 3-year coating warranty.

If not then look into 1-7/8 stepped stainless steel headers (if you have the money that is).

 

QTPs y pipe blows and their collectors aren't even fully welded lately. If I were gonna spend big money for headers ARH would be the one. Their y pipe is hands down the best looking one I've seen yet.

 

non fully weld with leaks, and not made in the USA collector is better???


fact

 

Ive heard about this