BBK or Ebay headers?
What people dont know about the Egay headers is that they say they are 1 3/4 primaries and a 3" collector, but you can clearly see in the pictures above that the primaries are an 1/8" smaller than 1 3/4". Same goes for the collector. ITs like the OD of the primaries is 1 3/4" and the OD of the collector is 3". All headers like pacesetter/qtp/ARH are all 1 3/4" inner diameter primaries......
What people dont know about the Egay headers is that they say they are 1 3/4 primaries and a 3" collector, but you can clearly see in the pictures above that the primaries are an 1/8" smaller than 1 3/4". Same goes for the collector. ITs like the OD of the primaries is 1 3/4" and the OD of the collector is 3". All headers like pacesetter/qtp/ARH are all 1 3/4" inner diameter primaries......
As to the second half of of your statment........... you struck on something I'm awefully crious about. "All"? Can you back that statement up even a little bit? How many brands of header have you owned and how many did you take the time to precisely measure? Post up some pics for us like I did! Thanks!
Teching In
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I don't know of any headers that are built with pipe. I thought that all exhaust was built using tube. if you have 3 inch pipe the ID will be 3 inch and if you have 3 inch tube the OD will be 3 inch. Pipe is very expensive and is usually seamless meaning it is not built by rolling and welding to make a tube. I work with this stuff every day and a foot of stainless 3 inch .065 wall tube is about $7.50 and a foot of pipe is about $12.00 That is what a business pays. I have never heard of a exhaust company using pipe, but I'm not saying that there isn't. Think of it this way if your header collectors were 3 inch ID it would be about 3/32 over 3 inch on the outside and your y-pipe wouldn't slip over the collector as y-pipes are 3 inch OD and are expanded at the ends to just over 3 inch ID.
Anyways ebay headers are not junk, I will agree that the cheep china headers are junk cause of crappy welds But OBX and Lsxtreme performance parts headers are not. Both of these guys OBX and LsXtreme have awesome welds and come with warranties. How can you call something that is made out of such good metal junk. Ive been a welder/fabricator for 20 years and when I got my headers from Lsxtreme I was blown away buy the craftsmanship and the solidness of the headers and big *** flanges and I'm sure OBX is the same. Look at the crappy MIG welds on the painted ones out there. Stainless headers have to be 100% TIG (GTAW) welded. I just think OBX and Lsxtreme are starting to kick some sense into people. Just my .02
Anyways ebay headers are not junk, I will agree that the cheep china headers are junk cause of crappy welds But OBX and Lsxtreme performance parts headers are not. Both of these guys OBX and LsXtreme have awesome welds and come with warranties. How can you call something that is made out of such good metal junk. Ive been a welder/fabricator for 20 years and when I got my headers from Lsxtreme I was blown away buy the craftsmanship and the solidness of the headers and big *** flanges and I'm sure OBX is the same. Look at the crappy MIG welds on the painted ones out there. Stainless headers have to be 100% TIG (GTAW) welded. I just think OBX and Lsxtreme are starting to kick some sense into people. Just my .02
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Staging Lane
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I just ordered coated Pacesetters with TSP Y-pipe Pacesetters just seem to perform too well and have too good of fitment alot of people like em and like how they perform so that sold me on them.
Do you think you could take some pics similar to mine and post them up when you get them? I'm genuinely curious about how the "name brand" headers compare.
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Staging Lane
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HUH, funny, I took those measurements and it sure looks like a hair less than 1/16 to me, but I won't argue about it with you, that's why I posted the pics so that people could make their own call.
As to the second half of of your statment........... you struck on something I'm awefully crious about. "All"? Can you back that statement up even a little bit? How many brands of header have you owned and how many did you take the time to precisely measure? Post up some pics for us like I did! Thanks!
As to the second half of of your statment........... you struck on something I'm awefully crious about. "All"? Can you back that statement up even a little bit? How many brands of header have you owned and how many did you take the time to precisely measure? Post up some pics for us like I did! Thanks!
I've seen so many threads about these e-bay headers. I tried to do a search but there are so many I cant find the thread I was looking for that showed how much smaller the ID's were on the primaries and the collector of both ebay and another brand such as QTP. The thread is probably a year or so old though so maybe they were worse and have corrected the problem as of recently. When it comes down to it, as long as you are happy thats all that matters.
I'm sure there will be about 10 more ebay headers threads this week with similar claims and controversy .
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I've done my fair share of header installs. Maybe I shouldnt have said All but way to catch me on that.
I've seen so many threads about these e-bay headers. I tried to do a search but there are so many I cant find the thread I was looking for that showed how much smaller the ID's were on the primaries and the collector of both ebay and another brand such as QTP. The thread is probably a year or so old though so maybe they were worse and have corrected the problem as of recently. When it comes down to it, as long as you are happy thats all that matters.
I'm sure there will be about 10 more ebay headers threads this week with similar claims and controversy .
I've seen so many threads about these e-bay headers. I tried to do a search but there are so many I cant find the thread I was looking for that showed how much smaller the ID's were on the primaries and the collector of both ebay and another brand such as QTP. The thread is probably a year or so old though so maybe they were worse and have corrected the problem as of recently. When it comes down to it, as long as you are happy thats all that matters.
I'm sure there will be about 10 more ebay headers threads this week with similar claims and controversy .
I've got a set sitting in my living room.... they are 1.75" outer diameter primarys, 3" outer diameter collectors, 2.5" outer diameter Y-pipes, and a 2.75" outer diameter pipe from where the Y-pipes join to where your cat-back begins. Those are facts not opinions.
Other brands may be larger, I cannot say, I haven't seen them first hand. If someone reading this thread happens to have an uninstalled set of "name brand" headers sitting around I'd love to know.
Launching!
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I'm sure you're right........... what I can't understand is why people who've never seen a set of these headers first hand make posts claiming they're garbage.
I've got a set sitting in my living room.... they are 1.75" outer diameter primarys, 3" outer diameter collectors, 2.5" outer diameter Y-pipes, and a 2.75" outer diameter pipe from where the Y-pipes join to where your cat-back begins. Those are facts not opinions.
Other brands may be larger, I cannot say, I haven't seen them first hand. If someone reading this thread happens to have an uninstalled set of "name brand" headers sitting around I'd love to know.
I've got a set sitting in my living room.... they are 1.75" outer diameter primarys, 3" outer diameter collectors, 2.5" outer diameter Y-pipes, and a 2.75" outer diameter pipe from where the Y-pipes join to where your cat-back begins. Those are facts not opinions.
Other brands may be larger, I cannot say, I haven't seen them first hand. If someone reading this thread happens to have an uninstalled set of "name brand" headers sitting around I'd love to know.
Here guys... my car was used to prototype the BBK headers.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/generatio...cs-inside.html
https://ls1tech.com/forums/generatio...cs-inside.html
I have to recommend getting stainless headers. I got my pacesetters back in '06, ceramic coated, and they're pretty rusty. Infact, I'm thinking they might be leaking up there. I doubt they'll last another 4 years 
...wouldn't have this problem if I had gotten stainless... 
...wouldn't have this problem if I had gotten stainless... 
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Well, i cheaped out and bought the egay headers. They flange fitment is great. The pacesetter ORY I got banged a wee bit but that was it. I changed my mounts to poly to get rid of it plus the old ones has the passenger side smushed flat. It moved the drivers side extremely close to the bottom of the car and k-member. If you have custom exhaust and clearance the k-member I would have no issue with them. Ive took them off twice after about a year and salt/ice etc driving. Perfect condition. 189 shipped to my door.
Ill probably end up getting kooks or LPP then selling them and the ory.
If you plan on never selling the car and wanting them to fit/last forever go kooks/lpp/ etc. but if you want to get rid of manifold and are willing to deal with grinding the k-member and dealing with the ory issue go for it!
Ill probably end up getting kooks or LPP then selling them and the ory.
If you plan on never selling the car and wanting them to fit/last forever go kooks/lpp/ etc. but if you want to get rid of manifold and are willing to deal with grinding the k-member and dealing with the ory issue go for it!
