The true cost of a header install. Done right.
i used...........new header gaskets GM........new wires MSD.........new motor mounts Prothane........reused stock header bolts............even tho i had a set of stage 8
turn out GREAT
turn out GREAT
-Catted Ypipes are optional
-MSD wires are garbage and far inferior to a GM wire
-Poly motor mounts are also optional, and not necessary unless the stock ones are broken
-New bolts are unnecessary. The stock GM bolts that came on the car work just fine.
-In most cases, the manifold gaskets can be reused.
I've done several LT installs for less than $500 in parts.
-MSD wires are garbage and far inferior to a GM wire
-Poly motor mounts are also optional, and not necessary unless the stock ones are broken
-New bolts are unnecessary. The stock GM bolts that came on the car work just fine.
-In most cases, the manifold gaskets can be reused.
I've done several LT installs for less than $500 in parts.
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Wish i had replaced motor mounts with solids while i had the room
New bolts are cheap insurance
My manifold gaskets basically fell apart when i pulled them off
New GM gaskets is good.
I don't like MSD wires -prefer stock GM's over any other wire.
Do the plugs
Motor mounts - good . Poly tranny mount -not good (will vibrate the car alot)
Mail order tune -yes you save $$ but it's pissing in the wind.Hopefully it doesn't come back on ya.
(nothing against Frost or any tuner,When dealing with an older car like a 98 there is ussually worn sensors ect which a mail tune will never see/fix,I'd say about 95% of mail order tunes I see are fairly close but never perfect with a few way off)
I don't like MSD wires -prefer stock GM's over any other wire.
Do the plugs
Motor mounts - good . Poly tranny mount -not good (will vibrate the car alot)
Mail order tune -yes you save $$ but it's pissing in the wind.Hopefully it doesn't come back on ya.
(nothing against Frost or any tuner,When dealing with an older car like a 98 there is ussually worn sensors ect which a mail tune will never see/fix,I'd say about 95% of mail order tunes I see are fairly close but never perfect with a few way off)
New GM gaskets is good.
I don't like MSD wires -prefer stock GM's over any other wire.
Do the plugs
Motor mounts - good . Poly tranny mount -not good (will vibrate the car alot)
Mail order tune -yes you save $$ but it's pissing in the wind.Hopefully it doesn't come back on ya.
(nothing against Frost or any tuner,When dealing with an older car like a 98 there is ussually worn sensors ect which a mail tune will never see/fix,I'd say about 95% of mail order tunes I see are fairly close but never perfect with a few way off)
I don't like MSD wires -prefer stock GM's over any other wire.
Do the plugs
Motor mounts - good . Poly tranny mount -not good (will vibrate the car alot)
Mail order tune -yes you save $$ but it's pissing in the wind.Hopefully it doesn't come back on ya.
(nothing against Frost or any tuner,When dealing with an older car like a 98 there is ussually worn sensors ect which a mail tune will never see/fix,I'd say about 95% of mail order tunes I see are fairly close but never perfect with a few way off)
TECH Apprentice
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 318
Likes: 14
From: Chicago, IL
I just ordered the Pacesetter Headers/TSP Y combo from Texas Speed, and in the description it says:
"The Pacesetter long tube headers will come standard with new gaskets, bolts, and wire to manually extend the front O2 sensor..."
Do I still need to worry about getting the GM gaskets and bolts or are these fine?
"The Pacesetter long tube headers will come standard with new gaskets, bolts, and wire to manually extend the front O2 sensor..."
Do I still need to worry about getting the GM gaskets and bolts or are these fine?
It's my opinion so I don't have to list my facts. We just don't use them and have very good reasons why.
If I was incapable of installing a set of wires properly, I wouldn't post the reason either. Is the 'click' really that important?
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Verdad Gallardo Wow way to be a grade a *******. Youd think the big name guys would try to be helpful and share thier "facts". I also liek how i made sure to let you know i wasnt trying to insult you but you still came back like a *****
My post was very simple - I don't like MSD wires - prefer stock GM.
Why are you even bringing it up except to try to fight the point with me? If you really wanted to know my reasons you probly would of PM'd me instead.
Then you have this Marc 85Z guy who's definitely a genius with a stupid post about some click thing.
Sponsors that have been doing this for a long time would probly post alot more helpfull responses if some of the members here didn't post stupid comments to bring down people all the time.
This is nothing personal against anyone here. I just posted my opinion that was short/simple. No big deal,use them if you like.
Good that I seen this thread. Iam about to install Pacesetter Ceramic coated LT's/TSP ORY combo/02 extentions. My car only has 42K so I might not have to do motor mounts. I have autolite plugs. Iam gonna use my stock plug wires..
I talked to a guy at texas speed he said to reuse the metal gaskets on my car.
I talked to a guy at texas speed he said to reuse the metal gaskets on my car.
Just throwin out my .02...I got a good deal on a brand new set of MSD wires. I did the whole every bolt on mod thing at once including the wires. I ran those for a while and didnt really notice a problem, sometimes a slight misfire here and there but I figureed it was just normal due to all the mods at once and it hadnt been tuned yet. Later I sold the car and took many of the aftermarket parts off that I still had the stockers left in the garage to put back on. When I put the old GM stock wires back on the car, it started up a lot quicker, ran A TON smoother and never did I get any misfire issues...so I was glad I put them back on and was slightly upset I didnt have them on the whole time. I will now only run those, period. They are cheap and work without issue, why switch to gimmicks? Is the fancy red colored wires really worth it? 
And they are NOT heat resistant, I had to wrap them with heat tape from melting on the hot parts near by even though they say you dont need boot protectors...
And they are NOT heat resistant, I had to wrap them with heat tape from melting on the hot parts near by even though they say you dont need boot protectors...
Just throwin out my .02...I got a good deal on a brand new set of MSD wires. I did the whole every bolt on mod thing at once including the wires. I ran those for a while and didnt really notice a problem, sometimes a slight misfire here and there but I figureed it was just normal due to all the mods at once and it hadnt been tuned yet. Later I sold the car and took many of the aftermarket parts off that I still had the stockers left in the garage to put back on. When I put the old GM stock wires back on the car, it started up a lot quicker, ran A TON smoother and never did I get any misfire issues...so I was glad I put them back on and was slightly upset I didnt have them on the whole time. I will now only run those, period. They are cheap and work without issue, why switch to gimmicks? Is the fancy red colored wires really worth it?
And they are NOT heat resistant, I had to wrap them with heat tape from melting on the hot parts near by even though they say you dont need boot protectors...
And they are NOT heat resistant, I had to wrap them with heat tape from melting on the hot parts near by even though they say you dont need boot protectors...
-Catted Ypipes are optional
-MSD wires are garbage and far inferior to a GM wire
-Poly motor mounts are also optional, and not necessary unless the stock ones are broken
-New bolts are unnecessary. The stock GM bolts that came on the car work just fine.
-In most cases, the manifold gaskets can be reused.
I've done several LT installs for less than $500 in parts.
-MSD wires are garbage and far inferior to a GM wire
-Poly motor mounts are also optional, and not necessary unless the stock ones are broken
-New bolts are unnecessary. The stock GM bolts that came on the car work just fine.
-In most cases, the manifold gaskets can be reused.
I've done several LT installs for less than $500 in parts.
MSD wires there's really nothing wrong with them.. I've been running them for years w/o any problems
You ABSOLUTELY should to motor mounts when installing LTs.. Once the LTs are on, the motor mounts are such a PITA to get to
I wouldn't re-use stock header bolts; I would upgrade to Stage 8 Locking Header bolts
And lastly NEVER, EVER re-use any gasket.. Always replace them.. Think about it.. any gasket has already quenched and stretched out when you tighten it down.. if you re-use it, 99% of the time you're gonna have a leak
I heard the earth was flat, but that doesn't make it a true statement. On a *TECH* site, it would be great to see actual tech-supported information, not just opinions and he/she said statements...
