Generation III External Engine LS1 | LS6 | Bolt-Ons | Intakes | Exhaust | Ignition | Accessories
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

Installed electric cutout on Borla exhaust...

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Apr 29, 2013 | 02:47 AM
  #1  
PV5150's Avatar
Thread Starter
Teching In
 
Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 3
Likes: 0
From: Binghamton, NY
Default Installed electric cutout on Borla exhaust...

I just installed an electric cutout on my Borla exhaust. I have it after the Y on the straight pipe in the recessed area under the rear passenger seat, just before it goes over the axle. I have BBK shorty headers with no cats. I love the Borla, but was looking for a couple extra HP, and I personally love a louder exhaust (if it sounds"good"). It sound INSANE with the cut out open. I am totally happy with the sound. The weird thing is it seems to have MORE power with the cut out closed and using the Borla. When I take off with the cutout open it "***** and gets" and sounds sick, but when I take off with the cut out closed it roasts the tires and I get a lot of wheel hop, so obviously there is some more torque at take off with it closed. To me that doesn't make any sense though. Could it be because of the back pressure? It seems that when I'm actually cruising that it is more responsive with the cutout open. Any opinions on this? Is it because the car is tuned for the Borla? Do I need to re-tune it for the cutout?
Reply
Old Apr 29, 2013 | 07:41 AM
  #2  
HCI2000SS's Avatar
TECH Senior Member
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Aug 2012
Posts: 11,137
Likes: 20
From: Howell & Fenton MI
Default

Theoretically, you should have a few more hp up top with the cutout open, and few hp less down low due to less back pressure. Most people do not need a retune
Reply
Old Apr 29, 2013 | 08:02 AM
  #3  
Blackpanther99's Avatar
TECH Senior Member
iTrader: (8)
 
Joined: Sep 2012
Posts: 6,963
Likes: 4
From: Baytown, TX
Default

No you dont need a retune. Sometimes because of the loudness it seems that your car is slower but in reality it should be the other way around. Are you running a 3" Y-Pipe?
Reply
Old Apr 29, 2013 | 08:18 AM
  #4  
666ws6's Avatar
Launching!
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Apr 2004
Posts: 221
Likes: 0
From: Greenville, SC
Default

I have the same setup and had the cutout there as well. I ran the same times with it open and closed, but I swore I felt more low end with the cutout closed. I think this is typical.
Reply
Old Apr 29, 2013 | 08:28 AM
  #5  
jimmyblue's Avatar
Moderator
iTrader: (11)
 
Joined: Mar 2002
Posts: 12,604
Likes: 7
From: East Central Florida
Default

I've found that cutout open changes how much timing
the motor can take, which (increasing cylinder charge)
is kinda the point. But I've also seen that the air mass
change only happens at higher RPM, not down low. So
my opinion is that effects on low-end torque are mostly
imaginary.
Reply
Old Apr 29, 2013 | 09:55 AM
  #6  
MikeWS6's Avatar
TECH Addict
 
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 2,354
Likes: 2
Default

I thought my car slowed down when I went from a catted y to an off road y pipe. Everyone told be it just feels that way because its so much louder.
Reply
Old Apr 29, 2013 | 09:59 AM
  #7  
Marc 85Z28's Avatar
TECH Fanatic
iTrader: (8)
 
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 1,395
Likes: 6
From: MD
Default

Why would you install a cutout on a system that already has a muffler bypass built into the catback?!
Reply
Old Apr 30, 2013 | 01:34 AM
  #8  
PV5150's Avatar
Thread Starter
Teching In
 
Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 3
Likes: 0
From: Binghamton, NY
Default

Thanks everyone for your replies. My mechanic agrees with HCI2000SS.He said the back pressure when it is closed is causing that little bit of extra torque. The car does NOT feel slower. I Just smoked 2 guys on rice rockets yesterday on the highway. They were messing around with some guy in a WRX Subaru. When I got up to them I was doing about 80 and they cracked it as soon as I got to them. I totally burned them and still had throttle to go (i was doing 145). It definitely has more throttle response when I'm already cruising. However from a dead stop if I have the cutout open it just catches and goes, whereas if I have it closed it absolutely ROASTS the tires and the wheel hop is ridiculous. Nothing imaginary. I took my mechanic for a spin today, we went from a dead stop to 60 with the cut out open and then again closed, two times each. Both times closed it spun 'em - with the tire hop. When starting from a dead stop open it squealed them for just a second and took off. We then tried it from 30mph and stomped on it, both open and closed. It was more responsive open. I've decided to just run it open. Out of all the mods and bolt-ons that I've done, I think the electric cut-out has been my favorite and has given me the most gains. I didn't think it would really make much of a difference other than the sound. Maybe the combination of the ram air/cold air intake/ and cat deletion along with the cut-out is just allowing the engine to really breathe and the cut-put was just the Icing on the cake. I don't know. The couple of seconds that it spins them while it's closed is made up for by it just taking off while it's open. I'm going to install some lower control arm relocation brackets to take care of the wheel hop when I am running it closed. Blackpanther99 asked what size the pipe was... it's all 3 inch right up to and going into the Borla muffler, then 2 1/2 (it may actually be 2.75) coming out. Thanks again all for your replies and opinions.
Reply
LS1 Tech Stories

The Best V8 Stories One Small Block at Time

story-0

Topdon ONE vs. Artidiag 800 BT2: Which is the Diagnostic Tablet For You?

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-1

Gas Monkey Built a 6-Wheel Ferrari Testarossa With a Corvette LT4 Engine

 Verdad Gallardo
story-2

7 Most Reliable High-Performance Engines GM Has Ever Built

 Verdad Gallardo
story-3

Amazing '71 Camaro Restomod Is Modern Muscle Car Under the Skin

 Verdad Gallardo
story-4

6 Common C5 Corvette Failures and What's Involved In Repairing Them

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-5

Retro Modern Bandit Pontiac Trans AM Comes With Burt Reynolds' Autograph

 Verdad Gallardo
story-6

Top 10 Greatest Cadillac V Series Performance Models Ever, Ranked

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-7

Top 10 Most Powerful Chevy Trucks Ever Made!

 
story-8

Hennessey's New Supercharged Silverado ZR2 Has 700 HP

 Verdad Gallardo
story-9

Coachbuilt N2A Anteros Is an LS2-Powered C6 Corvette In Italian Clothes

 Verdad Gallardo
Old May 13, 2013 | 09:39 PM
  #9  
transampetews6's Avatar
9 Second Club
15 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
iTrader: (31)
 
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 187
Likes: 0
From: Lanoka Harbor, NJ
Default

If your car is basically stock, you should make a little more torque with it closed and a little more HP open. the way I understand it is at low rpm the engine needs some back pressure to help making compression. At high rpm a open cut out should help with getting the exhaust out faster making a little more HP. to be honest I'm surprised that it make a difference at all. the Borla exhaust is basic a strait through design and you can tune the sound of it through the different size baffles. just my opinion.
Reply
Old May 13, 2013 | 10:38 PM
  #10  
cyberkill's Avatar
TECH Apprentice
 
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 318
Likes: 14
From: Chicago, IL
Default

I haven't been back to the track after I got my tune, but I got my E-cutout installed after I did LT, Catted Y, and motor mounts. I too had the same feeling. My "butt dyno" said that my car felt quicker with the cutout closed than open.
I went to the track and did about 10 passes with it open and closed half/half, and my times were definitely a little better with it closed.

I eventually got a tune, because emissions was coming up, and I had to tune out my O2 codes. They did a quick tune with the cutout open, but again, I haven't been to the track since, and also since then, my cutout motor broke...
Reply
Old May 13, 2013 | 10:45 PM
  #11  
RJDio's Avatar
TECH Enthusiast
 
Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 555
Likes: 0
From: NearHouston, TX
Default

I have dual electric cutouts after headers, car is cammed and a little under 400 rwhp. YES I lose a LOT of torque with cutouts open. A LOT. I couldn't believe the difference and in fact when I'm toying with another car on the road I'll open the cutouts to make some noise, but if we hit a red light I'm closing them QUICK!!! I want the torque from the line! I have the A4 and I can pull the switch opening cutouts while I'm running through 1st through 3rd so I get more horses at the end.

If I open them about a quarter or even half way open, I still have most of my torque. but full open I'm gassing it and it goes nowhere fast. I want to test at the track, since the lower torque and higher horses may play well into not spinning tires but will take some practice and testing.

Good run with the WRX, but Regarding launching with a WRX from a 'dead stop'....good luck. Even with cutouts closed it will be ugly.

Last edited by RJDio; May 13, 2013 at 10:56 PM.
Reply
Old May 13, 2013 | 11:06 PM
  #12  
LilJayV10's Avatar
TECH Senior Member
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (39)
 
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 9,716
Likes: 999
From: Evansville,IN
Default

Originally Posted by Marc 85Z28
Why would you install a cutout on a system that already has a muffler bypass built into the catback?!
They actually make a cutout for the borla that goes where you put the adjustable plate at. I was hoping this was what the OP had.
Reply
Old May 14, 2013 | 08:23 AM
  #13  
Marc 85Z28's Avatar
TECH Fanatic
iTrader: (8)
 
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 1,395
Likes: 6
From: MD
Default

Originally Posted by LilJayV10
They actually make a cutout for the borla that goes where you put the adjustable plate at. I was hoping this was what the OP had.
Read the first two sentences of this thread.
Reply
Old May 14, 2013 | 10:54 AM
  #14  
LilJayV10's Avatar
TECH Senior Member
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (39)
 
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 9,716
Likes: 999
From: Evansville,IN
Default

Originally Posted by PV5150
I just installed an electric cutout on my Borla exhaust. I have it after the Y on the straight pipe in the recessed area under the rear passenger seat, just before it goes over the axle. I have BBK shorty headers with no cats. I love the Borla, but was looking for a couple extra HP, and I personally love a louder exhaust (if it sounds"good"). It sound INSANE with the cut out open. I am totally happy with the sound. The weird thing is it seems to have MORE power with the cut out closed and using the Borla. When I take off with the cutout open it "***** and gets" and sounds sick, but when I take off with the cut out closed it roasts the tires and I get a lot of wheel hop, so obviously there is some more torque at take off with it closed. To me that doesn't make any sense though. Could it be because of the back pressure? It seems that when I'm actually cruising that it is more responsive with the cutout open. Any opinions on this? Is it because the car is tuned for the Borla? Do I need to re-tune it for the cutout?
Originally Posted by Marc 85Z28
Read the first two sentences of this thread.
I did. That's why I made the comment I did.
Reply




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:32 AM.

story-0
Topdon ONE vs. Artidiag 800 BT2: Which is the Diagnostic Tablet For You?

Slideshow: We take a close look at the ONE and Artidiag 800BT2 diagnostic tools from Topdon and the reasons to buy one over the other.

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-05-28 11:05:11


VIEW MORE
story-1
Gas Monkey Built a 6-Wheel Ferrari Testarossa With a Corvette LT4 Engine

Slideshow: The controversial Ferrari F6 swaps its original flat-12 for a Corvette Z06-derived LT4 V8 and sends power to four rear wheels through a custom-built drivetrain.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-26 18:23:54


VIEW MORE
story-2
7 Most Reliable High-Performance Engines GM Has Ever Built

Slideshow:These GM engines didn't just make huge power, they survived abuse, boost, track days, and six-digit mileage with a reputation for refusing to quit.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-21 16:45:27


VIEW MORE
story-3
Amazing '71 Camaro Restomod Is Modern Muscle Car Under the Skin

Slideshow: This heavily modified 1971 Camaro mixes classic muscle car styling with a fifth-generation Camaro interior and modern LS3 power.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-12 18:06:42


VIEW MORE
story-4
6 Common C5 Corvette Failures and What's Involved In Repairing Them

Slideshow: From wobbling harmonic balancers to failed EBCMs, these are the issues that define long-term C5 ownership and what repairs typically involve.

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-05-07 18:44:57


VIEW MORE
story-5
Retro Modern Bandit Pontiac Trans AM Comes With Burt Reynolds' Autograph

Slideshow: A modern Camaro transformed into a retro icon, this limited-run "Bandit" build blends nostalgia with brute force in a way few revivals manage.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-04-21 13:57:02


VIEW MORE
story-6
Top 10 Greatest Cadillac V Series Performance Models Ever, Ranked

Slideshow: Cadillac didn't just crash the high-performance luxury vehicle party, it showed up loud, supercharged, and occasionally a little unhinged...

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-04-16 10:05:15


VIEW MORE
story-7
Top 10 Most Powerful Chevy Trucks Ever Made!

Slideshow: Top ten most powerful Chevy trucks ever made

By | 2026-03-25 09:22:26


VIEW MORE
story-8
Hennessey's New Supercharged Silverado ZR2 Has 700 HP

Slideshow: Hennessey has turned the Silverado ZR2 into a 700-hp off-road monster with supercharged V8 power and a limited production run.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-03-24 18:57:52


VIEW MORE
story-9
Coachbuilt N2A Anteros Is an LS2-Powered C6 Corvette In Italian Clothes

Slideshow: A one-off sports car that looks like a vintage Italian exotic-but hides a C6 Corvette underneath-just sold for the price of a new mid-engine Corvette.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-03-23 18:53:41


VIEW MORE