High end oil filters examined - Page 6 - LS1TECH - Camaro and Firebird Forum Discussion



Generation III External Engine LS1 | LS6 | Bolt-Ons | Intakes | Exhaust | Ignition | Accessories
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

High end oil filters examined

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 09-15-2016, 06:56 PM   #101
That's MISTER MODERATOR
Thread Starter
iTrader: (9)
 
Paul Bell's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: NYC
Posts: 7,386
Default

I think you're out of luck. Wix has high flow filters with the correct thread (13/16-16) but the diameter is too big. The "correct" filter is 2.9" in diameter. I suppose you could measure the filter pad or get one and see if it fits. It's too bad, the Wix racing filters are probably the highest flowing at 60 microns media.

Moroso has a "high flow" filter at 27 microns, # 22462.

Paul Bell is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-2016, 09:39 PM   #102
TECH Enthusiast
iTrader: (17)
 
sillysspeed's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: MD
Posts: 575
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul Bell View Post
I think you're out of luck. Wix has high flow filters with the correct thread (13/16-16) but the diameter is too big. The "correct" filter is 2.9" in diameter. I suppose you could measure the filter pad or get one and see if it fits. It's too bad, the Wix racing filters are probably the highest flowing at 60 microns media.

Moroso has a "high flow" filter at 27 microns, # 22462.

Yep that's a bummer. I don't see a listing for the Fram HP filters. Looked at R2C and they don't have a listing either
sillysspeed is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-2016, 10:07 PM   #103
That's MISTER MODERATOR
Thread Starter
iTrader: (9)
 
Paul Bell's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: NYC
Posts: 7,386
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by sillysspeed View Post
for drag racing
You could get an aftermarket oil pan that has no oil filter pad. This eliminates those tiny passages the oil takes through the filter pad. You'll need external lines and a remote filter mount-and you can use any filter you want.

OR, keeping the stock pan, just an oil filter relocation kit.

What I did:

Paul Bell is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 09-16-2016, 09:17 AM   #104
TECH Enthusiast
iTrader: (17)
 
sillysspeed's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: MD
Posts: 575
Default

That's a nice setup Paul! On my next engine I will probably go with a remote setup. For now I'm gonna give the moroso filter a try along with Eneos oil.
sillysspeed is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-19-2016, 01:32 PM   #105
Teching In
 
Join Date: May 2016
Posts: 2
Default Change intervals don't matter with racing filters...

Quote:
Originally Posted by sillysspeed View Post
Does anyone have the part # for Wix racing oil filter for LS1? Did a couple searches with no luck? I'm looking for the highest flowing filter possible for drag racing. I know I need to change it often
Please note that racing filters of ANY type are built for minimum-restriction - meaning their micron size is much wider than a street filter. It passes big particles from the very start. This applies to all filters using a "flow-through" media.

It matters little how often you change your oil and filter. Racing filters are designed for engines that only have to survive a limited amount of time / miles between total rebuilds - NOT oil changes.

If you are a big NASCAR team (or equivalent) that routinely rebuilds their engines after every race - a racing filter is fine. If you are a privateer or small team that does not automatically rebuild, then I would not recommend a racing filter.

As a point of note, I have seen privateer outlaw racing teams that use standard WIX street filters with absolutely no problems or complaints.
damec70 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-19-2016, 02:30 PM   #106
That's MISTER MODERATOR
Thread Starter
iTrader: (9)
 
Paul Bell's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: NYC
Posts: 7,386
Default

Welcome to LS1tech!

Quote:
Originally Posted by damec70 View Post
Please note that racing filters of ANY type are built for minimum-restriction - meaning their micron size is much wider than a street filter. It passes big particles from the very start.
Yes, this is correct and has been discussed many times here.

Paul Bell is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 09-20-2016, 07:47 AM   #107
TECH Enthusiast
iTrader: (17)
 
sillysspeed's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: MD
Posts: 575
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by damec70 View Post
Please note that racing filters of ANY type are built for minimum-restriction - meaning their micron size is much wider than a street filter. It passes big particles from the very start. This applies to all filters using a "flow-through" media.

It matters little how often you change your oil and filter. Racing filters are designed for engines that only have to survive a limited amount of time / miles between total rebuilds - NOT oil changes.

If you are a big NASCAR team (or equivalent) that routinely rebuilds their engines after every race - a racing filter is fine. If you are a privateer or small team that does not automatically rebuild, then I would not recommend a racing filter.

As a point of note, I have seen privateer outlaw racing teams that use standard WIX street filters with absolutely no problems or complaints.

Thanks for the feedback and welcome. While I don't agree with everything you stated I do appreciate your input.
sillysspeed is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-21-2016, 12:28 PM   #108
Teching In
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 4
Default

Straight from Wix Tech line: "Don't run the XP unless you do a bunch of start stop. The regular Wix filter does a better job on filtration"

CC'ed from Bob is the oil guy:


Hummm ... WIX XP shows "Beta Ratio: B2=20" for the XP.

That pretty much sucks, as that equates to: "50% efficient @ 20 microns".

The non-synthetic 51516 shows "Beta Ratio: 2/20=6/20".

http://www.wixfilters.com/Lookup/Par...spx?Part=51516

That equates to:
"50% efficient @ 6 microns"
and
"95% efficient @ 20 microns".


B = Beta Ratio

(B-1)/B X 100 = Efficiency %

Beta Ratio --- Efficiency %
2 --- 50.00
5 --- 80.00
10 --- 90.00
15 --- 93.33
20 --- 95.00
25 --- 96.00
30 --- 96.67
40 --- 97.50
50 --- 98.00
75 --- 98.67
100 --- 99.00
125 --- 99.20
250 --- 99.60
500 --- 99.80
750 --- 99.87
1000 --- 99.90


I will be putting standard Wix on mine.

Last edited by Blackhatch; 09-23-2016 at 07:04 AM.
Blackhatch is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-22-2016, 06:38 PM   #109
That's MISTER MODERATOR
Thread Starter
iTrader: (9)
 
Paul Bell's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: NYC
Posts: 7,386
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackhatch View Post
"Don't run the (Wix) XP unless you do a bunch of start stop.
huh. As they're all similar in design and components, I suppose this would apply to all the filters noted in post #1 here?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackhatch View Post
I will be putting standard Wix on mine.
Well that's a pretty good choice!

I will continue to choose the Wix XP for all my vehicles.
Paul Bell is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 09-23-2016, 07:04 AM   #110
Teching In
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 4
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul Bell View Post
huh. As they're all similar in design and components, I suppose this would apply to all the filters noted in post #1 here?



Well that's a pretty good choice!

I will continue to choose the Wix XP for all my vehicles.
They are virtually identical. The XP filter is the same filter body and components with a synthetic media vs. a more traditional cellulose media.

The statement from the tech line resource at Wix (this is also echoed in the data above) is that the XP is a better filter if you are doing a bunch of short trips and start stop.

The fact that the standard Wix has a better filtration and capture rate means that it will keep the oil cleaner as a comparison.

Both are good filters, but if you aren't doing a bunch of stop and start driving...you are just spending more money than you need to.
Blackhatch is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-23-2016, 08:08 AM   #111
That's MISTER MODERATOR
Thread Starter
iTrader: (9)
 
Paul Bell's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: NYC
Posts: 7,386
Default

Actually, my DD truck does do a lot of stop & start, from sitting in hours of traffic every day to re-starting as much as 35 times a day when I'm busy.

What do the makers of the other filters say?
Paul Bell is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 04-16-2017, 08:48 PM   #112
Teching In
 
Join Date: Apr 2017
Posts: 19
Default

Ever since I first learned the cheap Fram used cardboard about 10 years ago, I only ever run Wix when I can find them, and that is usually the XP. Glad to know it is on the upper end of your comparison!
Daveymg is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-29-2017, 11:42 PM   #113
10 Second Club
iTrader: (40)
 
BOLO's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Mundelein,Illinois
Posts: 3,021
Default

I know FRAM is the least talked about, but their HP series(Racing) seems to be a better quality built as opposed to their normal, Walmart's shelf PH series oil filters. FRAM HP4 is a one of their racing filters(Not available at local Walmart). A lot of engine builders and racers swears by them.

Last edited by BOLO; 04-30-2017 at 01:24 AM.
BOLO is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-29-2017, 11:45 PM   #114
10 Second Club
iTrader: (40)
 
BOLO's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Mundelein,Illinois
Posts: 3,021
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul Bell View Post
I know WIX oil filters down to about 10 microns, their racing filters, 61 microns.

Moroso Racing filters are at 27 microns.

If I had a track only engine that might see an oil change after a weekend of racing, I'd probably go for the highest micron rating I could find to keep the flow rate up. No need for 10~20 micron filtering of oil that's used for a weekend, not 3 months/3,000 miles.
I believe the Fram HP4 filter are @ 18 micron.FYI.
BOLO is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-10-2017, 10:06 AM   #115
On The Tree
 
neblackshirts's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: Lincoln, NE
Posts: 109
Default

Man, don't know how I stumbled across this forum but thought I'd share my bad run of oil filters lately. First my 01 Camaro has a built 408 stroker and was in a local shop getting a couple things looked at so thought hey please change the oil. So supposedly was filled with Mobil One and a new filter. Well started to notice an oil leak and was bad enough that I was praying it wasn't the rear main seal. Put my Camaro on my fathers lift and filter was a tad loose. So wiped up oil from filter and tightened a bit more thought cool fixed. Well no leaked still, so threw it back up onto his lift again and looked at filter as it was the source and wet again. So thought about it and my dad asked me if maybe the filter was wrong so ran number and it came back as a no brand filter that only Amazon and eBay carry for $1.25. Changed filter to a good Napa and everything fixed, fingers crossed.


So my second recent oil filter episode was for my 2017 Ram Rebel. Had wally world change it as it was a last minute road trip so they put a Fram filter on that leaked almost half quart. Come to find out the Fram filter is a relabeled for Wal-Mart's basically it's a supertech oil filter. Went into Wal-Mart they wee good about it and topped off my oil and put a Mobil One on plus next synthetic oil change is free. Oil leaked stopped and might be crazy but my oil pressure was dropping down to 29 at a hot idle on the cheap filter but now hovers at 32 with Mobil One.


So man I'm getting my *** kicked with oil filters lately but it's a great reminder of something that can and is easily overlooked by many.


So I ask what are the Top 3 Daily Driver Oil filters?
And what are the Top 3 Race only Oil Filters?
neblackshirts is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-11-2017, 07:27 AM   #116
That's MISTER MODERATOR
Thread Starter
iTrader: (9)
 
Paul Bell's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: NYC
Posts: 7,386
Default

You should be fine using a Mobil1, Wix of Hastings filter. Bosch filters are OK too.

The only true "racing" filter that I know of (that has a very high micron rating) is from Wix. It's rated at 60 microns which allows higher oil flow. Replace it after a weekend of racing. The Moroso racing filters are 27 microns.
Paul Bell is online now   Reply With Quote
Reply

Related Topics
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Anyone in space coast able to cut my fender supports? Mike Morris Florida Members 2 04-06-2017 07:11 AM
'02 f body connector...recognize this?? GonHuntin Conversions & Hybrids 5 02-16-2017 11:47 AM
Since German Castrol is gone.... (IT'S NOT!!) Paul Bell Generation III External Engine 209 04-15-2016 11:53 AM
Special crimper? axekick PCM Diagnostics & Tuning 5 03-24-2016 07:03 PM
99 trans am ws6 m6 bone stock z06 hellcat What is it Worth? 2 12-02-2014 07:06 PM


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:30 AM.


 
  • Ask a Question
    Get answers from community experts
Question Title:
Description:
Your question will be posted in: