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Old 08-03-2015, 12:07 PM
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Thanks, great test. I wish they added a fast rt manifold. Guess this is the final word on the MSD intake for a cathedral head. Was hoping it would be better.
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Originally Posted by Bill00Formula
I wish they added a fast rt manifold.
It's there.
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No super Vic is disappointing. But the test wouldn't be optimum for it anyways.
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I saw this yesterday on FB, awesome work by them. I love the powerband gains from the TBSS manifold. I'll be getting one of those for my turbo build in my truck.
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Great article. Thanks for posting.

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Originally Posted by K10Turbo
I saw this yesterday on FB, awesome work by them. I love the powerband gains from the TBSS manifold. I'll be getting one of those for my turbo build in my truck.
It is a shame that those intakes are ugly as sin.
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Finally someone is showing the TBSS intake the love it deserves. Now would i hack my cowl for it to fit? probably not. But, it would make a great street intake in an older ls swap.
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I saw this, yesterday, I'm also disappointed they didn't test the Super Victor. But the test results do have me thinking about switch to a Hi ram or LSXrt away from the Super Victor.
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I honestly expedcted more out of the lsxrt I usually see a lot better hp claims on it with its better runners and plenum volume but it doesnt seem to make much of a difference here.

I cant say I'm surprised by the msd though, its proved what I said since i first saw it....With the typical ls intake design and space allotted in these cars there simply isnt enough real estate to make power jumps over the fast. you just cant make the runners long enough or plenum large enough to make a big difference. fast has been developing ls intakes for over 10 years, i think they've pretty much squeezed everything they can from that design. msd making breakthroughs that somehow fast overlooked was pipe-dreamish. the vararam is a whole new design so i'm curious about that.
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Originally Posted by MuhThugga
It is a shame that those intakes are ugly as sin.
I'm using the truck intake on a 325 CID Gen III.

See attached images of partially assembled engine in mockup.

Application is a 1970 International Harvester Scout.

I think it looks significantly better after being worked over. At least it works for me.

This is a daily driver vehicle, where I am not looking to achieve max HP or torque at high RPM.

Exhaust manifolds (difficult to see) are from an LS-2 and are powder coated.
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Originally Posted by CoolAid
Gee let's see, $550 for an old used LS6 or $250 more for a FAST/MSD that crushes it on setups from mild to wild......



Who woulda thunk that piece of plastic would be worth $100 more than a full set of 243 heads in 2015.


Agreed. I personally wouldn't bother buy a LS6 intake. If you're making this much power, it would be holding an engine back, and on something closer to stock they barely make a difference over a LS1 intake.


What surprised me is the single plane carb intakes made so much less power than the FAST 102. Though they didn't test the super victor.
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Originally Posted by onebadbowtie86
Now I want a fast 102 even more! wish they would have had the ls2 intake in there, but Its probably close to the ls1?
I wanted to the the LS2 also, just to see if it was actually worse than the LS1.

Great test by the way.
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Originally Posted by MuhThugga
It is a shame that those intakes are ugly as sin.
Yeah, but it's going in my flat black square body, so it'll blend in. Haha
Originally Posted by scout2000
I'm using the truck intake on a 325 CID Gen III.

See attached images of partially assembled engine in mockup.

Application is a 1970 International Harvester Scout.

I think it looks significantly better after being worked over. At least it works for me.

This is a daily driver vehicle, where I am not looking to achieve max HP or torque at high RPM.

Exhaust manifolds (difficult to see) are from an LS-2 and are powder coated.
That came out nice!
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Originally Posted by t_raven
What surprised me is the single plane carb intakes made so much less power than the FAST 102. Though they didn't test the super victor.
That's probably more of a carb vs port fuel injection thing.
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Originally Posted by CoolAid
That's probably more of a carb vs port fuel injection thing.
That could be part of it, but in "theory" it shouldn't have been much of a factor on a dyno when both are tuned for max hp.

It would be interesting to see how an EFI single planes with elbow would compare, since that seems to be a common set up.

I've kinda been under the impression that people are choosing single plane intakes with elbows for max hp over the FAST 102, but the test sure didn't show that.
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Originally Posted by scout2000
I'm using the truck intake on a 325 CID Gen III.

See attached images of partially assembled engine in mockup.

Application is a 1970 International Harvester Scout.

I think it looks significantly better after being worked over. At least it works for me.

This is a daily driver vehicle, where I am not looking to achieve max HP or torque at high RPM.

Exhaust manifolds (difficult to see) are from an LS-2 and are powder coated.

That turned out really nice.

Unfortunately, that intake and fuel rail set up won't allow me to use the fuel rail covers I already put some work into for the 5.3 going in my dad's 64 Impala SS.

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The big thing with single planes is the right camshaft, to me this test shows fast is min on this combo. The Vic jr doesn't preform as well as the super Vic. Also it's single plane is intended rpm use is a lot different and the use of a elbow will kill power and really needs a 4150 throttle body or carb.
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Originally Posted by MuhThugga
That turned out really nice.

Unfortunately, that intake and fuel rail set up won't allow me to use the fuel rail covers I already put some work into for the 5.3 going in my dad's 64 Impala SS.

That looks great!

I like that.
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Originally Posted by JRENIGAR
I wonder if the fast 102 would be worth it over my current LS6 with boost?

LS6 is best OEM for boost a lot of quality and R&D in these pieces
some people have actually blown the 102 intakes somehow
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Edlebrock Pro Flo and Holley Hi Ram with nearly identical #'s but the Holley has 102mm tb.and and the Edlebrock a 90mm, what does that say about the ProFlo XT?


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