Speed Engineering True Dual Exhaust Kits!!
04-02-2017, 10:46 PM
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04-03-2017, 12:12 AM
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Originally Posted by _JB_
So when you buy a cam you expect it to fit and be to spec right? Or would you expect the vendor to tell you to take an angle grinder to the lobes to correct it? That's just a little love right? Some people have expectations of a product based on it's description regardless of price. Now I see on Speeds's website they list a note about lowered cars which wasn't originally listed.
But comments like yours are not constructive to the vendor or consumer to help create a better product that benefits everyone. So far the two improvements suggested are better bolts and not to angle down the x-pipe, seems like small requests that could be achieved easily.
But comments like yours are not constructive to the vendor or consumer to help create a better product that benefits everyone. So far the two improvements suggested are better bolts and not to angle down the x-pipe, seems like small requests that could be achieved easily.
04-03-2017, 12:21 PM
#466
The fact that first off packaging is **** and boxing are torn apart upon arrival and some are losing parts, the bolts they give are absolute crap and need to be replaced immediately, then the design of the x pipe are being angled down and giving most cars around two inches of clearance from the road, which many have stated in this thread if you go back and read bits and pieces. Good price, bad design, bad hardware, bad packaging and handling. No disrespect to you or anyone who wants true duals. They sound good but not worth the hassle imo
2. Any missing parts can be sent from SE after a quick claim, mistakes happen, the world isn't perfect.
3. The bolts are of poor quality, however it is a first edition of the system and after several complaints SE has noted this and planned to upgrade the bolts for future orders. I went to ace and got all grade 8 bolts and washers for less than 10 bucks.
4. The clearance is low, but with some fine tuning and know-how it can be installed to tuck better than the average joe who just throws it on there. And of those that have complained of low setups, have also noted that they don't seem to scrape that often. Its 3" Mandrel pipes going where they were not engineered to go in the first place, I think they did just fine and with some minor adjustments in future versions could have an almost OEM clearance.
5. The "hassle" has been reduced to driving to ACE and buying some common bolts and paying attention to what you are doing during the install.
04-03-2017, 12:34 PM
#467
Thank you usnfenix..
Honestly, I think the problem to most installing our kits is that this kit is not your normal header and y-pipe installation. I even noticed when installing the kit that once the kit is together it takes a lot of fineness to correctly position everything, which requires the right install tools as well. We probably took another 30 min adjusting the entire kit using multiple underhoist stands before even tightening a single clamp. I too saw that without correctly positioning/twisting the tubes the kit would hang much lower to the ground in different locations. This is one of the most difficult exhaust kits to install correctly with all the pieces included with this kit. I personally put everything into position clamped everything as tight as possible then tacked every joint to make sure the exhaust didn't slip/sag causing clearance issues. When we were test fitting the prototype all the piping had proper clearance when installed correctly, that's why we do not have any revisions planed. However, we are looking into including an additional hanger bracket for the center section of the exhaust, which seems to be issue for most customers. Its not that the center of the kit is made too low. The kit can physically be pushed into the bottom of the car. Its the issue of the kit slipping at multiple joints lowering the exhaust with customers not knowing how to address the issue correctly. Some say that our X-Pipe points at the ground. Yes, it will point at the ground if the tubing is not twisted up accordingly. It is at that angle to properly clear driveshaft safety loops, and chassis mounted torque arms. We have installed several different types of true dual kits over the years including Hooker and Kooks true duals. The ground clearance between all of them is pretty close to the same including ours. As we stated previously we are working on better clamp bolts, and once another round of true dual kits come in we will look further into helping out some of the lowered guys get better ground clearance as well. Thank you guys again we appreciate your comments/business.
Thanks
Sean
Honestly, I think the problem to most installing our kits is that this kit is not your normal header and y-pipe installation. I even noticed when installing the kit that once the kit is together it takes a lot of fineness to correctly position everything, which requires the right install tools as well. We probably took another 30 min adjusting the entire kit using multiple underhoist stands before even tightening a single clamp. I too saw that without correctly positioning/twisting the tubes the kit would hang much lower to the ground in different locations. This is one of the most difficult exhaust kits to install correctly with all the pieces included with this kit. I personally put everything into position clamped everything as tight as possible then tacked every joint to make sure the exhaust didn't slip/sag causing clearance issues. When we were test fitting the prototype all the piping had proper clearance when installed correctly, that's why we do not have any revisions planed. However, we are looking into including an additional hanger bracket for the center section of the exhaust, which seems to be issue for most customers. Its not that the center of the kit is made too low. The kit can physically be pushed into the bottom of the car. Its the issue of the kit slipping at multiple joints lowering the exhaust with customers not knowing how to address the issue correctly. Some say that our X-Pipe points at the ground. Yes, it will point at the ground if the tubing is not twisted up accordingly. It is at that angle to properly clear driveshaft safety loops, and chassis mounted torque arms. We have installed several different types of true dual kits over the years including Hooker and Kooks true duals. The ground clearance between all of them is pretty close to the same including ours. As we stated previously we are working on better clamp bolts, and once another round of true dual kits come in we will look further into helping out some of the lowered guys get better ground clearance as well. Thank you guys again we appreciate your comments/business.
Thanks
Sean
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04-03-2017, 02:45 PM
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Thank you usnfenix..
Honestly, I think the problem to most installing our kits is that this kit is not your normal header and y-pipe installation. I even noticed when installing the kit that once the kit is together it takes a lot of fineness to correctly position everything, which requires the right install tools as well. We probably took another 30 min adjusting the entire kit using multiple underhoist stands before even tightening a single clamp. I too saw that without correctly positioning/twisting the tubes the kit would hang much lower to the ground in different locations. This is one of the most difficult exhaust kits to install correctly with all the pieces included with this kit. I personally put everything into position clamped everything as tight as possible then tacked every joint to make sure the exhaust didn't slip/sag causing clearance issues. When we were test fitting the prototype all the piping had proper clearance when installed correctly, that's why we do not have any revisions planed. However, we are looking into including an additional hanger bracket for the center section of the exhaust, which seems to be issue for most customers. Its not that the center of the kit is made too low. The kit can physically be pushed into the bottom of the car. Its the issue of the kit slipping at multiple joints lowering the exhaust with customers not knowing how to address the issue correctly. Some say that our X-Pipe points at the ground. Yes, it will point at the ground if the tubing is not twisted up accordingly. It is at that angle to properly clear driveshaft safety loops, and chassis mounted torque arms. We have installed several different types of true dual kits over the years including Hooker and Kooks true duals. The ground clearance between all of them is pretty close to the same including ours. As we stated previously we are working on better clamp bolts, and once another round of true dual kits come in we will look further into helping out some of the lowered guys get better ground clearance as well. Thank you guys again we appreciate your comments/business.
Thanks
Sean
Honestly, I think the problem to most installing our kits is that this kit is not your normal header and y-pipe installation. I even noticed when installing the kit that once the kit is together it takes a lot of fineness to correctly position everything, which requires the right install tools as well. We probably took another 30 min adjusting the entire kit using multiple underhoist stands before even tightening a single clamp. I too saw that without correctly positioning/twisting the tubes the kit would hang much lower to the ground in different locations. This is one of the most difficult exhaust kits to install correctly with all the pieces included with this kit. I personally put everything into position clamped everything as tight as possible then tacked every joint to make sure the exhaust didn't slip/sag causing clearance issues. When we were test fitting the prototype all the piping had proper clearance when installed correctly, that's why we do not have any revisions planed. However, we are looking into including an additional hanger bracket for the center section of the exhaust, which seems to be issue for most customers. Its not that the center of the kit is made too low. The kit can physically be pushed into the bottom of the car. Its the issue of the kit slipping at multiple joints lowering the exhaust with customers not knowing how to address the issue correctly. Some say that our X-Pipe points at the ground. Yes, it will point at the ground if the tubing is not twisted up accordingly. It is at that angle to properly clear driveshaft safety loops, and chassis mounted torque arms. We have installed several different types of true dual kits over the years including Hooker and Kooks true duals. The ground clearance between all of them is pretty close to the same including ours. As we stated previously we are working on better clamp bolts, and once another round of true dual kits come in we will look further into helping out some of the lowered guys get better ground clearance as well. Thank you guys again we appreciate your comments/business.
Thanks
Sean
My kooks system was no different. I had to put jackstands in the right places, twist the pipes to provide natural upward force, etc. its not a stock exhaust and it won't go in exactly like a stock system. i wish this system existed when I did the kooks. i'd have jumped all over it.
Sometimes, you just gotta be prepared to mod your car in order to mod your car.
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04-05-2017, 01:00 AM
#472
So how long until a new order is ready to be shipped out? I ordered mine last night and absolutely can not wait to get it in already!! I will deal with the ground clearance. I was amazed when I seen the price of this system. More importantly hurry up Sean!
04-06-2017, 10:32 AM
#475
Just going by full retail for a brand new exhaust, some people cant always wait for a deal to come up in the classifieds
http://www.ws6project.com/user_stor/...oducts_id=6903
04-06-2017, 10:41 AM
#476
Just going by full retail for a brand new exhaust, some people cant always wait for a deal to come up in the classifieds
http://www.ws6project.com/user_stor/...oducts_id=6903
http://www.ws6project.com/user_stor/...oducts_id=6903
A site sponsor use to offer some really deep discounts on kooks products in the fall(they still might). I bought mine back in 2011. I think I paid 1250.00 for the exhaust and 650.00 for the headers. The price has gone up quite a bit since then which is why I think the SE TD is a great value.