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Old Aug 29, 2018 | 01:44 PM
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I’m building a 408 stroker to put in my Sonoma and I’m torn between what intake to use. I understand that something like the FAST LSX would probably be best, but I’m not trying to spend $1k on the intake so I’m leaning toward either a stock LS1 intake and ported throttle body or perhaps this deal from eBay.

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?m...2F111817394004

Could anyone provide some suggestions? Thank you very much.

FYI, my setup will be taking the 6.0 and stroking it to a 408. I'll keep it at 10:1 so I don't have to change pistons when I throw the turbo on at some point. I'm going to use a K1 crank, Molnar rods, and Mahle or Diamond pistons. For the heads, I have a set of 317's that i'm going to have CNC'd by Katech and top them with Comp conical valve springs, titanium retainers, and slightly larger 2.02/1.60 valves, 8mm valve stems. To actuate the valves I'll be using a custom grind cam.
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Old Aug 29, 2018 | 01:54 PM
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A stock ls1 intake will choke the **** out of it
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Old Aug 29, 2018 | 02:00 PM
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If you want to avoid paying a king's ransom for an intake manifold, at least get a Dorman LS2; it will be SO much better than an LS1 manifold.
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Old Aug 29, 2018 | 02:42 PM
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If you want to avoid paying a king's ransom for an intake manifold, at least get a Dorman LS2; it will be SO much better than an LS1 manifold.
what would you recommend for a throttle body?
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DBC or DBW?
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Old Aug 29, 2018 | 02:53 PM
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If you want to avoid paying a king's ransom for an intake manifold, at least get a Dorman LS2; it will be SO much better than an LS1 manifold.
The nice thing about that eBay intake is that it comes with fuel rails and throttle body... I just can’t find jack for reviews on it.
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DBC or DBW?
I’m doing DBC
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Old Aug 29, 2018 | 02:55 PM
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Look for a Nick Williams, but watch out for counterfeits!
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Old Aug 29, 2018 | 03:26 PM
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So correct me if I’m wrong, but the Dorman LS2 will give me better low end and still shine on top vs. that one I linked from eBay, right? The eBay intake would be more prone to top end power with the shorter runners, sacrificing low end?

Also, and I know this is a newb question, but why are some throttle bodies $80 and some are $500? I’m sure I’m oversimplifying it, but isn’t it basically a butterfly with provisions for IAC and TPS?
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Old Aug 29, 2018 | 03:35 PM
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You will have NO low end from the eBay manifold. That is for high displacement, high-RPM engines only. People buy it for looks and then hope it runs. The Dorman is a much-improved version of the LS2 ,manifold. It will perform in a way that suits what you are building
With throttle bodies, you get what you pay for. $80 throttle bodies leak, don't hook up right, and are very difficult to tune.
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Originally Posted by G Atsma
You will have NO low end from the eBay manifold. That is for high displacement, high-RPM engines only. People buy it for looks and then hope it runs. The Dorman is a much-improved version of the LS2 ,manifold. It will perform in a way that suits what you are building
With throttle bodies, you get what you pay for. $80 throttle bodies leak, don't hook up right, and are very difficult to tune.
Looks like Dorman LS2 and Nick Williams it is. It must be meant to be because my boss just asked me to work OT on Friday. Hard to pass up $600 when I’m wanting to spend money. I have saved $15k for this project, but any extra just gets added to that, lol
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Definitely skip the stock LS1 intake.

The GM TBSS truck manifold flows very well and can be found used for dirt cheap. I paid $160 for one with fuel rails and injectors. It flows very similar to the Dorman LS2. I flow tested both.


Tested with the same ported 243 head. Note the Dorman LS2 thats unported is an early one. The ported Dorman LS2 is a later one. Overall the porting picks up a few cfm over .500 lift. The BBK is aluminum and can probably hold the most boost. BBK also flows pretty well and could be ported for even better results.


Depending on how much boost you want to run the Dorman LS2 may be OK but it is a two piece. I believe the TBSS is a once piece and would be more likely to hold more boost.

BBK makes an aluminum intake that seems ideal for a lot of boost.

The LS6 with the 90mm snout by LPE/TPiS flow well but I'm not sure how well the snout will hold up to boost / high boost.

WARR makes a nice budget throttle body for ~$125. You would need to use the TPS and IAC fr your old TB. The WARR TB's are good for the money but a little more finicky to tune in than a Nick Williams cable TB that sells for for about $389 new.
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Old Aug 29, 2018 | 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by 99 Black Bird T/A
Definitely skip the stock LS1 intake.

The GM TBSS truck manifold flows very well and can be found used for dirt cheap. I paid $160 for one with fuel rails and injectors. It flows very similar to the Dorman LS2. I flow tested both.


Tested with the same ported 243 head. Note the Dorman LS2 thats unported is an early one. The ported Dorman LS2 is a later one. Overall the porting picks up a few cfm over .500 lift. The BBK is aluminum and can probably hold the most boost. BBK also flows pretty well and could be ported for even better results.


Depending on how much boost you want to run the Dorman LS2 may be OK but it is a two piece. I believe the TBSS is a once piece and would be more likely to hold more boost.

BBK makes an aluminum intake that seems ideal for a lot of boost.

The LS6 with the 90mm snout by LPE/TPiS flow well but I'm not sure how well the snout will hold up to boost / high boost.

WARR makes a nice budget throttle body for ~$125. You would need to use the TPS and IAC fr your old TB. The WARR TB's are good for the money but a little more finicky to tune in than a Nick Williams cable TB that sells for for about $389 new.
Is this the Trail Blazer SS intake you’re talking about? I just searched eBay for TBSS intake and these are what popped up.

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?m...2F283029379013

It’s not as clean looking as the Dorman LS2, but it’s cheaper. For some reason I thought they were aluminum like this one.

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If you can get the TBSS nice and cheap GO FOR IT! IF it will fit under your hood of course..... Yeah, it and the Dorman are plastic.
That aluminum one looks like a BBK... but there are others.
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Old Aug 29, 2018 | 06:29 PM
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If you can get the TBSS nice and cheap GO FOR IT! IF it will fit under your hood of course..... Yeah, it and the Dorman are plastic.
That aluminum one looks like a BBK... but there are others.
I have no issue with composite intakes. I’ll probably just go with the Dorman. I don’t want to have to cut the firewall to fit the intake. I’m ok with a cowl hood, but in a Sonoma/S10 you really want to push the engine back as far as practicable.
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I will be using a TBSS intake on my 6.0, S10.
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If it's an S10 the TBSS might fit nicely! It performs as well as the Dorman LS2 or LS6. But it's up to you.
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Old Aug 29, 2018 | 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by All Pontiac WS6
I will be using a TBSS intake on my 6.0, S10.
I like the cost and performance, but it's not a very clean looking intake. I guess you'd need a cover for it and I hate that. I want it to be purdy, lol
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Old Aug 29, 2018 | 08:30 PM
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I have no issue with composite intakes. I’ll probably just go with the Dorman. I don’t want to have to cut the firewall to fit the intake. I’m ok with a cowl hood, but in a Sonoma/S10 you really want to push the engine back as far as practicable.
You can push the engine back as far as you can and the tbss will fit fine, no cutting required, the LSXRT is a good sized manifold and it fits, don't even need a cowl hood.
Thats my personal experience anyway.
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OK, waddayawant? Purdy or POWER??? I think I know the answer..... LOL
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