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Old Sep 15, 2018 | 10:40 AM
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I just finished building my 01SS Camaro. New MS3 cam, ported 243 Heads, springs, pushrods,and more..... I'm getting a tapping noise for i believe multiple areas or the engine. Before I built It, it had a mild cam, ls6 intake and headers, and it made no sound and was quite. I didn't replace the lifters while I was in there. All the pushrods are the correct length I think. With just below 1 full turn of preload. Need help. Thanks!
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Old Sep 15, 2018 | 10:59 AM
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Why would you not replace the lifters while you were in there. That could very well be the issue right there
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Old Sep 15, 2018 | 10:07 PM
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You don’t sound too confident on the pushrods being the correct length. X amounts of turns before preload sounds confusing...? Were you set at zero lash when measuring? New LS7 lifters would have been cheap insurance especially if you’re still running the oem LS1 lifters.

Could also be exhaust leaks that sound like tapping/ticking.
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Were the heads milled? Milled heads might require different length pushrods
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Old Sep 16, 2018 | 10:42 AM
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Milling the heads would tighten up the lash. Tapping indicates loose lash.
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Old Sep 17, 2018 | 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by HCI2000SS
Why would you not replace the lifters while you were in there. That could very well be the issue right there
alot of people do it when it's not needed. I decided not to
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Old Sep 17, 2018 | 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by s30.hybrid
You don’t sound too confident on the pushrods being the correct length. X amounts of turns before preload sounds confusing...? Were you set at zero lash when measuring? New LS7 lifters would have been cheap insurance especially if you’re still running the oem LS1 lifters.

Could also be exhaust leaks that sound like tapping/ticking.
yes 1 turn after zero lash. No exhaust leak
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The heads were not milled. Like I mentioned the preload on the pushrods was spot on according to specs
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Since you are hearing multiple taps then I'd suspect the following:

1. O-ring not sealing at the oil pump. Did you replace the pump and the o-ring at the pickup tube/pump interface? How is your oil pressure?
2. Air pockets in oiling system. Did you prime the oiling system? Did you soak the lifters? Without any idea on how long the new build has been run, have you let the engine warm up to operating temp?
3. Loose rockers or failed trunion bearings.
4. Pushrod length. Did you measure? This is a need to know.
5. Oversized pushrod diameter. I have heard (not experienced) that 11/32" dia & 3/8" diameter pushrods can make contact with the head casting if not clearanced.

Just a few ideas for you to look into. Good luck.

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Old Sep 19, 2018 | 01:04 PM
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Since you are hearing multiple taps then I'd suspect the following:

1. O-ring not sealing at the oil pump. Did you replace the pump and the o-ring at the pickup tube/pump interface? How is your oil pressure?
2. Air pockets in oiling system. Did you prime the oiling system? Did you soak the lifters? Without any idea on how long the new build has been run, have you let the engine warm up to operating temp?
3. Loose rockers or failed trunion bearings.
4. Pushrod length. Did you measure? This is a need to know.
5. Oversized pushrod diameter. I have heard (not experienced) that 11/32" dia & 3/8" diameter pushrods can make contact with the head casting if not clearanced.

Just a few ideas for you to look into. Good luck.

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1 Ididn't mess with the oil pump when I rebuilt the engine..
2 i didn't remove the lifters when doing the build. No priming. Brought it up to temp once.... no difference.
3 all rockers were tight and work property
4 did not measure. Was told it's the right size. And it had the right preload I believe. At just under I full turn after zero lash
5 I did notice a couple of scratches on a couple of the pushrods but they are stock sized pushrods.....?
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You say you "rebuilt" the engine?? YET you did not touch the oil pump, nor remove the lifters. Rebuilding means FULL teardown and refurbishing/replacing all parts.
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Old Sep 19, 2018 | 01:58 PM
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Yea I tore it down and rebuilt it. Didn't use new parts for EVERYTHING. OIL PUMP STAYED on when upgrade g to an MS3 cam. Pump is fine. Still was getting 50lbs at idle and above that driving.
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Old Sep 19, 2018 | 02:00 PM
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[QUOTE=G Atsma;19971537]You say you "rebuilt" the engine?? YET you did not touch the oil pump, nor remove the lifters. Rebuilding means FULL teardown and refurbishing/replacing all parts.[/QUOT
if you have advise it would be handy but if you want to criticize then you can go somewhere else. Thanks
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Pull valve covers.
Measure for push rod length
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Old Sep 19, 2018 | 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Dylan Latshaw
Rebuilding means FULL teardown and refurbishing/replacing all parts.

Here is your advice
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Old Sep 19, 2018 | 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by 98CayenneT/A
Pull valve covers.
Measure for push rod length
they are the correct size...... 1 full turn of preload is perfect. Am I wrong?
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Old Sep 20, 2018 | 09:06 AM
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I'm getting about .040 preload on my lifters. What's recommended? And if my pushrods are too short could they cause valve train noise?
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Originally Posted by Dylan Latshaw
I'm getting about .040 preload on my lifters. What's recommended? And if my pushrods are too short could they cause valve train noise?
Yes, if the pushrods are too short then they can make noise. Can you put a stethoscope on the rocker bolts while running? I forget the preload spec but I thought .040" was about right on a street engine. Mine are silent at .070".
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Originally Posted by Dylan Latshaw
I'm getting about .040 preload on my lifters. What's recommended? And if my pushrods are too short could they cause valve train noise?
Yes, .040" is to light. Depending on how accurate you measured and every cylinder being a bit different you could be as light as .030" on some.
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Old Sep 20, 2018 | 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by 98CayenneT/A
Yes, .040" is to light. Depending on how accurate you measured and every cylinder being a bit different you could be as light as .030" on some.
that's very true. What size pushrods do I Need? I got that preload with 7.400
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