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Old May 4, 2021 | 08:28 AM
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There's nothing to see on a dyno graph in regards to turbulent airflow, no idea what you're talking about.
Dyno tests prove/disprove the effectiveness of throttle bodies larger than the manifold inlet. It's not about turbulence, rather about the inlet restricting the flow of a larger TB. There is no benefit of a throttle body larger than the manifold inlet. As far as anticipating a different intake setup, wait to install a larger TB until that actually happens.
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Old May 4, 2021 | 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by G Atsma
Dyno tests prove/disprove the effectiveness of throttle bodies larger than the manifold inlet. It's not about turbulence, rather about the inlet restricting the flow of a larger TB. There is no benefit of a throttle body larger than the manifold inlet. As far as anticipating a different intake setup, wait to install a larger TB until that actually happens.
Interesting hmmm. I was implying the inlet will process the air just fine, when utilizing a bellow of some sort - I might be wrong here in regards to airflow not normalizing. Says me scientist.
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Old May 4, 2021 | 05:21 PM
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I'd go to the junkyard and buy one for $30, but thats just me I guess. Thats after I used up the 5 spares I have. Truck TB's of course, as if I have to say it.

And the problem putting a 92mm on it, stock intake or not, is tuning the IAC effective area, and general **** you just never have to tune if it's stock. Or leave it untuned and deal with it idling like crap.

Hardly worth the pissing match.
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Old May 4, 2021 | 07:13 PM
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Interesting hmmm. I was implying the inlet will process the air just fine, when utilizing a bellow of some sort - I might be wrong here in regards to airflow not normalizing. Says me scientist.
Naturally aspirated, once a larger throttle body is passing all the air the manifold inlet will pass, the remaining throttle travel does nothing, whether the flow is run thru a cone or not. This situation is very difficult to tune due to the flat spot at the end of TB opening. The inlet will "process" the air, but that isn't the issue at hand. Fuel calibration is, due to TB travel without additional air volume being passed.
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Old May 4, 2021 | 09:30 PM
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Naturally aspirated, once a larger throttle body is passing all the air the manifold inlet will pass, the remaining throttle travel does nothing, whether the flow is run thru a cone or not. This situation is very difficult to tune due to the flat spot at the end of TB opening. The inlet will "process" the air, but that isn't the issue at hand. Fuel calibration is, due to TB travel without additional air volume being passed.
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Ahhh I see. It's not the turbulence of air passing through the TB, it is a computer not knowing what is going on with the air entering the engine. I suppose, if somehow magically the mass airflow sensor would be located after the TB, it would not matter what size the inlet is because amount of air would be calculating correctly.
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Old May 4, 2021 | 10:40 PM
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Ahhh I see. It's not the turbulence of air passing through the TB, it is a computer not knowing what is going on with the air entering the engine. I suppose, if somehow magically the mass airflow sensor would be located after the TB, it would not matter what size the inlet is because amount of air would be calculating correctly.
Correct. The computer would be "confused" by the last segment of blade opening without any additional air going into the manifold.
You are also correct that IF there were a MAF sensor between TB and manifold, that would be accounted for, but only if the TB movement were ignored.
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Old May 4, 2021 | 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by G Atsma
Correct. The computer would be "confused" by the last segment of blade opening without any additional air going into the manifold.
You are also correct that IF there were a MAF sensor between TB and manifold, that would be accounted for, but only if the TB movement were ignored.
Right. The last part of the air passing through the TB will not increase, even though a larger TB can handle the air. The computer thinks somehow there is more air entering the engine, because of the accelerater the TB is trying to feed the engine, the computer calculates. But this is not the case!

Thanks for clarifying the physics, it's tough to see it at times within the induction system.
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Glad to help! Have a great evening!
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