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Old Jul 16, 2024 | 06:22 AM
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I have seen some people doing EGR deletes on their performance cars. Is this a good idea? What are the benefits and drawbacks from doing this?
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Old Jul 16, 2024 | 07:23 AM
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Less crap going into the fresh air side and clogging up stuff.

potentially less mpg
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Less crap going into the fresh air side and clogging up stuff.

potentially less mpg
If tuned right, there should be no loss in MPG. EGR does not save gas...
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So basically it just cuts down on carbon deposits and such things? Are there any real downsides?
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So basically it just cuts down on carbon deposits and such things? Are there any real downsides?
Not really....
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What factory LS engine even **had** EGR? My LS3 didn't.
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What factory LS engine even **had** EGR? My LS3 didn't.
The early LS1s that went in F-bodies. Most, if not all truck engines.
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Old Jul 16, 2024 | 12:55 PM
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The early LS1s that went in F-bodies. Most, if not all truck engines.
I think only earlier truck engines. I had an 04 Tahoe w/5.3 and it did not have EGR.
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I think only earlier truck engines. I had an 04 Tahoe w/5.3 and it did not have EGR.
My 2013 5.3L has it. I'm sure it continually varies. New tech comes along to help improve emissions and fuel economy, thus maybe allowing it to be eliminated. But then new emission or fuel economy requirements move the bar again, and then it's necessary to press it back in service. Kind of like A.I.R. pumps going in and out of use the last 5 decades.
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Originally Posted by 68Formula
My 2013 5.3L has it. I'm sure it continually varies. New tech comes along to help improve emissions and fuel economy, thus maybe allowing it to be eliminated. But then new emission or fuel economy requirements move the bar again, and then it's necessary to press it back in service. Kind of like A.I.R. pumps going in and out of use the last 5 decades.
the car is a collector vehicle and does not require or need emissions or any inspections. I have had many problems with egr systems in the past besides the fact that they help gunk up the engine with more carbon deposits. I want the car to run clean and efficiently. Many people have talked about advantages to eliminating the system as well as cutting down on gunk. The car has true duals with high efficiency cats.
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@68Formula Not calling you a liar but I have never seen a Gen IV truck engine with EGR, pics or it didn't happen. EGR quit on trucks in 02 maybe early 03. I do see on RA that you can buy an EGR gasket but I guess they are not making EGR valves? My in-law's 2013 Suburban does not have EGR. All GMT-900s I've ever worked on do not have EGR.

@njm12333 You talk like a bot or an EPA agent. I would watch out for this guy...
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@68Formula Not calling you a liar but I have never seen a Gen IV truck engine with EGR, pics or it didn't happen. EGR quit on trucks in 02 maybe early 03. I do see on RA that you can buy an EGR gasket but I guess they are not making EGR valves? My in-law's 2013 Suburban does not have EGR. All GMT-900s I've ever worked on do not have EGR.

@njm12333 You talk like a bot or an EPA agent. I would watch out for this guy...
I talk like a bot? How? Because I’m asking about something I don’t know? Why because I don’t want exhaust gases leaving crap inside my engine? What are you talking about?
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Proven non-bot now.

Cannot confirm you aren't the latter.
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You must be a conspiracy guy to think some stupid **** like that honestly. You really think anyone cares about what guys do with their cars? Outside of California I should say. Not to mention egr systems are not required by any law.
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EGR... exhaust gas recirculation system
Emissions part, and "could" cause you to fail testing IF they test in your area (not all do)

I doubt you'll see any difference in MPG or performance, but it's potential to foul intakes/throttle bodies/plugs is real.
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Originally Posted by shakenfake
@68Formula Not calling you a liar but I have never seen a Gen IV truck engine with EGR, pics or it didn't happen. EGR quit on trucks in 02 maybe early 03. I do see on RA that you can buy an EGR gasket but I guess they are not making EGR valves? My in-law's 2013 Suburban does not have EGR. All GMT-900s I've ever worked on do not have EGR.

@njm12333 You talk like a bot or an EPA agent. I would watch out for this guy...
SSShhhhh.. I know. Just don't say it in front of the EPA agent!

Funny, thought it did and lazy looked up on RA too. Like you said it showed the gasket, so I ran with it. Actually went out after work and peeked under the hood, sure enough nothing. WTH RA?! At least now I know why my gas mileage sucks.

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Yeah, I think EGR (at least in this generation) was due to emissions. I think it had to do with the ECU and the camshaft. I also concur they deal away with in like 2003-ish (not sure if that coinsided with the P59 ECU or what? IDK) and not aware of EGR in Gen IV vehicles.

I'm not sure there's any power gains by removing it, in of itself, again, because it's an emissions thing. But I've heard this other forums (probably by folks that don't even understand what the system is or does.) Delete it to keep the intake cleaner, sure, I vote for that.
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Old Jul 16, 2024 | 05:54 PM
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Yeah, I think EGR (at least in this generation) was due to emissions. I think it had to do with the ECU and the camshaft. I also concur they deal away with in like 2003-ish (not sure if that coinsided with the P59 ECU or what? IDK) and not aware of EGR in Gen IV vehicles.

I'm not sure there's any power gains by removing it, in of itself, again, because it's an emissions thing. But I've heard this other forums (probably by folks that don't even understand what the system is or does.) Delete it to keep the intake cleaner, sure, I vote for that.
thanks. I didn’t really think there would be any power to gain but not having dirty exhaust fumes pumped back into the engine seemed like a sensible idea for helping keep everything clean. Especially with the introduction of ethanol I have seen at least in my vehicles a lot more buildup around the valves especially. Plus I have an aftermarket intake and exhaust so I would believe my car is not running as good as it should be. I only run 93 octane 0 ethanol gas and regularly use injector cleaner from Lucas. Maybe some seafoam might help? Do a drip into the intake manifold through a vacuum line? I’m planning on a whole new cam, heads, and intake soon.
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Originally Posted by njm12333
You must be a conspiracy guy to think some stupid **** like that honestly. You really think anyone cares about what guys do with their cars? Outside of California I should say. Not to mention egr systems are not required by any law.
Actually I do. The EPA has used forums in the past to go after shops and people who remove emissions systems from their cars. So yeah, I am pretty sure people care. Not even a conspiracy just a fact.
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Originally Posted by 68Formula
The early LS1s that went in F-bodies. Most, if not all truck engines.
Interesting .... I always figured EGR was an early-emissions-era crutch that went away when manufacturers figured out EFI.

Thanks for the education!
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