Better than an X or H pipe?
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Better than an X or H pipe? If the idea behind an X or H pipe is to balance the pulses between the left and right bank, how about something different? David Vizard preaches the idea of building a resonator box (expansion chamber) to make the header collectors think they've achieved atmospheric conditions, then you continue the pipes back to mufflers. Mac makes an expansion chamber they call the Pro Chamber. Although the box is not as large as what Vizard recommends, I'm wondering if an approach like this would be better than an X or H pipe for true duals? Please chime in, especially Mustang guys.
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Last edited by Patrick G; Mar 7, 2006 at 01:02 PM.
I think it would be better than an H pipe, but I would think an X pipe pulls the exhaust from each bank with every pulse. This system doesn't look like it could do that. It would just equalize pressure.
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Originally Posted by 777
I think it would be better than an H pipe, but I would think an X pipe pulls the exhaust from each bank with every pulse. This system doesn't look like it could do that. It would just equalize pressure.
That way you could still benefit scavenging and be able to run mufflers without affecting the exhaust pressure wave.
In simple terms,it makes the exhaust think is that wherever that box is located is the end of the exhaust, so if you put a box, larger then the one that is pictured above in the exhaust after say 2 feet of pipe, the motor will think that you have headers and 24 inches of pipe extending past the collectors. It's hard to explain in simple terms, but pretty much what it's doing is eliminating any back pressure from the point of the box back to the rest of the exhaust, so the remaining part of the exhaust after the box's restriction is negated.... there's alot of techie terms that explain it alot better, but that sum's it up in a way most people can understand. I think that the reason alot of people aren't doing it anymore is it adds alot of weight, and takes up alot of space, the latter of the 2 being the reason most guys with newer cars don't even try it, there's not alot of room for a box big enough to really work right I think.
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Not sure about that one.. I only know about the box beacuse of some old school drag racers that I know, and what it did for them back in the day... that and I've read alot of books LOL. I probably have that info in a book somewhere at home.. but it might take me a while to find it, alot of that stuff is still packed up from when I moved about a year ago now.
I know that on a Mustang it is quite good as for as flow, I have seen a 99 Gt with bolt on's go 13.1 at 107 w/Prochamber and dumped duals. It is also quieter w/Prochamber over an X or H setup.
I had a Pro Chamber on my '00 GT and it made excellent power, and sounded very good.
I saw where it was tested with various X's and H's on the market and it out performed them all - on a Mustang..
I think it would make great power, but there's not much room on an F-body for that box - depending on how big it actually needs to be.
I saw where it was tested with various X's and H's on the market and it out performed them all - on a Mustang..
I think it would make great power, but there's not much room on an F-body for that box - depending on how big it actually needs to be.
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Originally Posted by Lane
I had a Pro Chamber on my '00 GT and it made excellent power, and sounded very good.
I saw where it was tested with various X's and H's on the market and it out performed them all - on a Mustang..
I think it would make great power, but there's not much room on an F-body for that box - depending on how big it actually needs to be.
I saw where it was tested with various X's and H's on the market and it out performed them all - on a Mustang..
I think it would make great power, but there's not much room on an F-body for that box - depending on how big it actually needs to be.
Sort of.. but not exactly.... a 2 cycle engine is a differnent deal, as the expansion chamber acts like a vacum to suck gases out when the port is opened by piston movement. Port size and shape with those is ultra critical, along with the size ans shape of the expansion chamber to how and where it makes power... I used to race atv's, and depending on the track, we usually had several pipes that were all differnet that we would try, and usually 2 different motors, one for top end, and one for short tracks with better bottom end... only thign diffenrent was the ports, and the bottom end motor would usually have no flywheel weights, whereas the top end motor would to keep it spun up all the time.
