Where can you find GROTS! ON LINE
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Re: Where can you find GROTS! ON LINE </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>Did anyone hear something?? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />
Shut up dumass.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">My thoughts exactly! (even though you misspelled dumbass - <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> LOL)
This guy comes across as a total jerk. Thunder Racing has an well deserved excellent reputation. I have bought several things from them and have been very happy.
The part about threatening Paul with his lawyer for mentioning his name particularly impressed me. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> Grow up!
I look forward to purchasing one of your $3 lids you are going to mass produce.
<small>[ July 02, 2002, 04:10 AM: Message edited by: Red2000SS ]</small>
Shut up dumass.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">My thoughts exactly! (even though you misspelled dumbass - <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> LOL)
This guy comes across as a total jerk. Thunder Racing has an well deserved excellent reputation. I have bought several things from them and have been very happy.
The part about threatening Paul with his lawyer for mentioning his name particularly impressed me. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> Grow up!
I look forward to purchasing one of your $3 lids you are going to mass produce.
<small>[ July 02, 2002, 04:10 AM: Message edited by: Red2000SS ]</small>
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Re: Where can you find GROTS! ON LINE </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by BLUE-00'-DEMON:
<strong>Looked at all sponser sites cant find them need some advice.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I had a set of Grotts that were on my 2000 T/A. They came with the Y-pipe. I sold the entire setup recently. Sorry!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Sad]" src="gr_sad.gif" />
<strong>Looked at all sponser sites cant find them need some advice.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I had a set of Grotts that were on my 2000 T/A. They came with the Y-pipe. I sold the entire setup recently. Sorry!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Sad]" src="gr_sad.gif" />
Re: Where can you find GROTS! ON LINE </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Slart:
<strong>Paul,
First, the unit is CNCed but it wasn't even centered on the jig before you began, so the whole you "machined" (if you dare call it that) is not centered around the hole in the throttle body.
Second, in the automotive world CNC means that it's top quality (yeah, I know what it stands for. Dont try and school me, or I'll school you twice as hard). Instead you guys use CNC to reduce manufacturing costs, which is fine. What you sent me has maybe 15 minutes of manufacturing time, which is worth $20 at a machine shop which includes a good profit margin for the shop. Yet you're charging $150 for it. When you say CNC and charge $150, you can expect a top quality product.
Third, the bump stop was clearly cut with a die grinder, not a CNC.
Fourth, the throttle body I receive has dings on it that make the throttle bore non round.
Fifth, the person who milled the throttle blade made an error and milled the screws deeper than the rest. The screws should be the thickest part, not the thinnest.
Sixth, my throttle body had ALUMINUM FILINGS in it (on the outside of the bearing, where the throttle position sensor mounts).
It would take me longer to fix your throttle body than to do my own, except some of the machining mistakes you made can't be fixed at all!
As far as the lid goes, it's a backform vacuumed piece of plastic that can't have cost more than $3 to produce.
You sell an unsatisfactory quality product and you insist on a 20% restocking fee. Why? That 20% guarentees that you make a profit regardless of whether the customer gets what he wants.
20% of $130 for the lid is rediculous. It's still 5 times more than it cost to make.
And as far as posting my name publically on this list, that's pretty stupid. I dont particularly care, but if I did you'd out find my attorney would make your life hell.
Your company is in the business of bilking people. It's bad enough that you want 20% to take back faulty and unsatisfactory parts, but a worse trajedy is the poor customer who's stupid enough to put up with it.
Steve</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">So Slart, you want to bitch and complain about the 20% restocking fee. Yet any educated consumer would ask if such fee existed before purchasing from a company. Seems like normal business practice to me. As for quality, everyone has a bad day. Ya cant please them all.
<strong>Paul,
First, the unit is CNCed but it wasn't even centered on the jig before you began, so the whole you "machined" (if you dare call it that) is not centered around the hole in the throttle body.
Second, in the automotive world CNC means that it's top quality (yeah, I know what it stands for. Dont try and school me, or I'll school you twice as hard). Instead you guys use CNC to reduce manufacturing costs, which is fine. What you sent me has maybe 15 minutes of manufacturing time, which is worth $20 at a machine shop which includes a good profit margin for the shop. Yet you're charging $150 for it. When you say CNC and charge $150, you can expect a top quality product.
Third, the bump stop was clearly cut with a die grinder, not a CNC.
Fourth, the throttle body I receive has dings on it that make the throttle bore non round.
Fifth, the person who milled the throttle blade made an error and milled the screws deeper than the rest. The screws should be the thickest part, not the thinnest.
Sixth, my throttle body had ALUMINUM FILINGS in it (on the outside of the bearing, where the throttle position sensor mounts).
It would take me longer to fix your throttle body than to do my own, except some of the machining mistakes you made can't be fixed at all!
As far as the lid goes, it's a backform vacuumed piece of plastic that can't have cost more than $3 to produce.
You sell an unsatisfactory quality product and you insist on a 20% restocking fee. Why? That 20% guarentees that you make a profit regardless of whether the customer gets what he wants.
20% of $130 for the lid is rediculous. It's still 5 times more than it cost to make.
And as far as posting my name publically on this list, that's pretty stupid. I dont particularly care, but if I did you'd out find my attorney would make your life hell.
Your company is in the business of bilking people. It's bad enough that you want 20% to take back faulty and unsatisfactory parts, but a worse trajedy is the poor customer who's stupid enough to put up with it.
Steve</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">So Slart, you want to bitch and complain about the 20% restocking fee. Yet any educated consumer would ask if such fee existed before purchasing from a company. Seems like normal business practice to me. As for quality, everyone has a bad day. Ya cant please them all.
Re: Where can you find GROTS! ON LINE </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Slart:
<strong>Paul,
First, the unit is CNCed but it wasn't even centered on the jig before you began, so the whole you "machined" (if you dare call it that) is not centered around the hole in the throttle body.
Second, in the automotive world CNC means that it's top quality (yeah, I know what it stands for. Dont try and school me, or I'll school you twice as hard). Instead you guys use CNC to reduce manufacturing costs, which is fine. What you sent me has maybe 15 minutes of manufacturing time, which is worth $20 at a machine shop which includes a good profit margin for the shop. Yet you're charging $150 for it. When you say CNC and charge $150, you can expect a top quality product.
Third, the bump stop was clearly cut with a die grinder, not a CNC.
Fourth, the throttle body I receive has dings on it that make the throttle bore non round.
Fifth, the person who milled the throttle blade made an error and milled the screws deeper than the rest. The screws should be the thickest part, not the thinnest.
Sixth, my throttle body had ALUMINUM FILINGS in it (on the outside of the bearing, where the throttle position sensor mounts).
It would take me longer to fix your throttle body than to do my own, except some of the machining mistakes you made can't be fixed at all!
As far as the lid goes, it's a backform vacuumed piece of plastic that can't have cost more than $3 to produce.
You sell an unsatisfactory quality product and you insist on a 20% restocking fee. Why? That 20% guarentees that you make a profit regardless of whether the customer gets what he wants.
20% of $130 for the lid is rediculous. It's still 5 times more than it cost to make.
And as far as posting my name publically on this list, that's pretty stupid. I dont particularly care, but if I did you'd out find my attorney would make your life hell.
Your company is in the business of bilking people. It's bad enough that you want 20% to take back faulty and unsatisfactory parts, but a worse trajedy is the poor customer who's stupid enough to put up with it.
Steve</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">As I hear this everyday and I have to tell my own customers sometimes..........."if YOU could do it cheaper or find it cheaper then just simply"......"do it"
You had a choice and to me it seems that you are not a stupid guy. I am sure you did research on TR before you purchased! If not then why out of 64845415456 shops would you buy from them? It may cost $3 in material to make a lid, but it is the know how that cost $127.00! Kinda like labor rates. If you think it is that easy then you should make them yourself.
I would also like to bring to everyone's attention...."automotive work is not a non-profit orginazation!"
<small>[ July 02, 2002, 06:00 AM: Message edited by: z0sense ]</small>
<strong>Paul,
First, the unit is CNCed but it wasn't even centered on the jig before you began, so the whole you "machined" (if you dare call it that) is not centered around the hole in the throttle body.
Second, in the automotive world CNC means that it's top quality (yeah, I know what it stands for. Dont try and school me, or I'll school you twice as hard). Instead you guys use CNC to reduce manufacturing costs, which is fine. What you sent me has maybe 15 minutes of manufacturing time, which is worth $20 at a machine shop which includes a good profit margin for the shop. Yet you're charging $150 for it. When you say CNC and charge $150, you can expect a top quality product.
Third, the bump stop was clearly cut with a die grinder, not a CNC.
Fourth, the throttle body I receive has dings on it that make the throttle bore non round.
Fifth, the person who milled the throttle blade made an error and milled the screws deeper than the rest. The screws should be the thickest part, not the thinnest.
Sixth, my throttle body had ALUMINUM FILINGS in it (on the outside of the bearing, where the throttle position sensor mounts).
It would take me longer to fix your throttle body than to do my own, except some of the machining mistakes you made can't be fixed at all!
As far as the lid goes, it's a backform vacuumed piece of plastic that can't have cost more than $3 to produce.
You sell an unsatisfactory quality product and you insist on a 20% restocking fee. Why? That 20% guarentees that you make a profit regardless of whether the customer gets what he wants.
20% of $130 for the lid is rediculous. It's still 5 times more than it cost to make.
And as far as posting my name publically on this list, that's pretty stupid. I dont particularly care, but if I did you'd out find my attorney would make your life hell.
Your company is in the business of bilking people. It's bad enough that you want 20% to take back faulty and unsatisfactory parts, but a worse trajedy is the poor customer who's stupid enough to put up with it.
Steve</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">As I hear this everyday and I have to tell my own customers sometimes..........."if YOU could do it cheaper or find it cheaper then just simply"......"do it"
You had a choice and to me it seems that you are not a stupid guy. I am sure you did research on TR before you purchased! If not then why out of 64845415456 shops would you buy from them? It may cost $3 in material to make a lid, but it is the know how that cost $127.00! Kinda like labor rates. If you think it is that easy then you should make them yourself.
I would also like to bring to everyone's attention...."automotive work is not a non-profit orginazation!"
<small>[ July 02, 2002, 06:00 AM: Message edited by: z0sense ]</small>
Re: Where can you find GROTS! ON LINE I have delt with Paul many times. I call often to ask his advise on what he thinks works and what dont. He has been more than fair, friendly, and never tried to sell me on a product. The one time I asked to return something, because I made a mistake, he said no problem, gave me 100% credit on my visa and that was that. Steve, I feel you are full of cow dung.
Re: Where can you find GROTS! ON LINE Steve I really don't believe almost anything that you are saying about the throttle body. If it was so bad don't you think one of the hundred or so customers out there would have said something by now. We've never had a complaint on our throttle bodies before. If your's was machined wrong then every one would be wrong. Remember it's a computerized CNC machine, so every one of that batch would be wrong. You say it cost $20 to CNC a throttle body, bull. When's the last time you priced a CNC machine? That purchase price has to be recouped by the labor that it turns out. You are not paying for time, you are paying for a service.
Yes the throttle stop mod is not done with a CNC machine, it's done here in our shop. The company that does our TBs won't do the throttle stop mod because if you open it up too far it will throw a check engine light. We open it up slightly here in the shop and the customer can fine tune it themselves if they have that ability. You complained that the throttle blade only open 82.5 degrees, not 90 degrees. If you are going to be that picky then you open it up a full 90 degrees and see what happens.
You come across as if you know so much about this stuff. If you do then why were you so pissed that the throttle blade had a hole in it? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />
As far as the Whisper lid goes, everyone on here knows what ALL the lids are made of, PLASTIC. BTW: I really wish it cost $3 to make a lid. If so that's all we'd have to sell was lids. It might be $3 worth of plastic but I sure that the mold, the machine to make it, and the guy running the machine aren't free.
Lastly I did offer you 100% store credit back on both items. It just seems funny that you bought 2 of the most popular items for an LS1 and you find both of them not worthy of your car. Those are your words not mine. We still do offer you those same terms.
Have a great day.
Paul Freeman
<small>[ July 02, 2002, 09:03 AM: Message edited by: Paul @ Thunder ]</small>
Yes the throttle stop mod is not done with a CNC machine, it's done here in our shop. The company that does our TBs won't do the throttle stop mod because if you open it up too far it will throw a check engine light. We open it up slightly here in the shop and the customer can fine tune it themselves if they have that ability. You complained that the throttle blade only open 82.5 degrees, not 90 degrees. If you are going to be that picky then you open it up a full 90 degrees and see what happens.
You come across as if you know so much about this stuff. If you do then why were you so pissed that the throttle blade had a hole in it? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />
As far as the Whisper lid goes, everyone on here knows what ALL the lids are made of, PLASTIC. BTW: I really wish it cost $3 to make a lid. If so that's all we'd have to sell was lids. It might be $3 worth of plastic but I sure that the mold, the machine to make it, and the guy running the machine aren't free.
Lastly I did offer you 100% store credit back on both items. It just seems funny that you bought 2 of the most popular items for an LS1 and you find both of them not worthy of your car. Those are your words not mine. We still do offer you those same terms.
Have a great day.
Paul Freeman
<small>[ July 02, 2002, 09:03 AM: Message edited by: Paul @ Thunder ]</small>
Re: Where can you find GROTS! ON LINE Hey Slart, if you can work it out so that I can buy airbox lids for $3 each, let me know. I'll buy about 500 of them ASAP and sell them on this site at a HUGE markup.
<img border="0" alt="[jester]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_jest.gif" />
PS, all LS1 f-body throttle body blades have holes in them.
<img border="0" alt="[jester]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_jest.gif" />
PS, all LS1 f-body throttle body blades have holes in them.
Re: Where can you find GROTS! ON LINE I don't normally try to reason with unreasonable people, but your such a prime example of someone who has no business modifying their car, I feel compelled to answer your remarks about our products:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>
First, the unit is CNCed but it wasn't even centered on the jig before you began, so the whole you "machined" (if you dare call it that) is not centered around the hole in the throttle body.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The throttle body from GM isn't symmetrical when it comes from GM, if you had actually taken the time to look at your stock throttle body you might have seen this. This is a ported throttle body, not one that has been bored out. The entrance has been ported to increase airflow through the unit. This can only be done within the confines of the limit of the casting, if you did try to cut out enough material to 'center it around the hole of the casting' you are going to destroy the casting.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>Second, in the automotive world CNC means that it's top quality (yeah, I know what it stands for. Dont try and school me, or I'll school you twice as hard). Instead you guys use CNC to reduce manufacturing costs, which is fine. What you sent me has maybe 15 minutes of manufacturing time, which is worth $20 at a machine shop which includes a good profit margin for the shop. Yet you're charging $150 for it. When you say CNC and charge $150, you can expect a top quality product.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I am paying a hell of a lot more than $20.00 to have these throttle bodies done. It's really funny that we have sold close to 100 of these ported throttle bodies and you literally are the first person to complain. If you know so much why don't you try to port your own and 'center it up' and see the outcome.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>Third, the bump stop was clearly cut with a die grinder, not a CNC. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">So what? I do every throttle stop by hand. The company that CNC ports the throttle bodies doesn't do the throttle stop mod. You had also bitched on the phone that the throttle blade only opened 82.5 degrees. Guess what? They open a lot less than that from the factory and if they go too far it will cause an SES light because of overtravel from the TPS.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>Fourth, the throttle body I receive has dings on it that make the throttle bore non round.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">That is kind of odd since the throttle bore isn't touched.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>Fifth, the person who milled the throttle blade made an error and milled the screws deeper than the rest. The screws should be the thickest part, not the thinnest.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Get your facts straight. The throttle blade isn't milled. The throttle shaft has been milled.
There was no mistake in the way the throttle shaft was milled. The whole point was to minimize
the disruption of the airflow around the throttle shaft. In that light it was kind of silly to leave the screws sticking up higher than everything else to reduce airflow.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>Sixth, my throttle body had ALUMINUM FILINGS in it (on the outside of the bearing, where the throttle position sensor mounts).</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Again I suspect you are full of it, but if it did then I am sorry. Every one of the throttle bodies is cleaned before it leaves here. I didn't see any aluminum filings on it when it left here. Anyway it would be a simple matter to use compressed air to clean it out.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>It would take me longer to fix your throttle body than to do my own, except some of the machining mistakes you made can't be fixed at all!</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">It seems to me that all you were trying to do was get ahold to a known good working throttle body and copy it. Now you are trying to bully us into taking it back and give you your money back after you saw how it was done.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>As far as the lid goes, it's a backform vacuumed piece of plastic that can't have cost more than $3 to produce.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">We don't manufacture the lids. Whisper, Direct-Flo,MTI and a couple of others actually manufacture lids. We are just a reseller. I honestly don't know what it costs to manufacture one, but I will say that our cost is sure a hell of a lot more than $3.00. We are selling the exact same product that other vendors on this site sell for about the same price. If you think you would be better served buying another brand of lid from another vendor then go for it...
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>You sell an unsatisfactory quality product and you insist on a 20% restocking fee. Why?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The products shipped to you were exactly as represented on the web sight. If the products were faulty (which they weren't) we will either replace them or issue store credit. If you want your money back then there is a restocking fee. This policy is consistant with most other vendors.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>And as far as posting my name publically on this list, that's pretty stupid. I dont particularly care, but if I did you'd out find my attorney would make your life hell.
Your company is in the business of bilking people. It's bad enough that you want 20% to take back faulty and unsatisfactory parts, but a worse trajedy is the poor customer who's stupid enough to put up with it.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">As far as posting your name goes,YOU decided to make this a public issue. Whats the matter, you one of those people who is real brave behind a phone or keyboard but not in real life.
I don't respond well to threats or libelous and slanderous statements. You might want evaluate what you are saying before running off at the mouth.
<small>[ July 02, 2002, 11:26 AM: Message edited by: Geoff ]</small>
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>
First, the unit is CNCed but it wasn't even centered on the jig before you began, so the whole you "machined" (if you dare call it that) is not centered around the hole in the throttle body.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The throttle body from GM isn't symmetrical when it comes from GM, if you had actually taken the time to look at your stock throttle body you might have seen this. This is a ported throttle body, not one that has been bored out. The entrance has been ported to increase airflow through the unit. This can only be done within the confines of the limit of the casting, if you did try to cut out enough material to 'center it around the hole of the casting' you are going to destroy the casting.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>Second, in the automotive world CNC means that it's top quality (yeah, I know what it stands for. Dont try and school me, or I'll school you twice as hard). Instead you guys use CNC to reduce manufacturing costs, which is fine. What you sent me has maybe 15 minutes of manufacturing time, which is worth $20 at a machine shop which includes a good profit margin for the shop. Yet you're charging $150 for it. When you say CNC and charge $150, you can expect a top quality product.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I am paying a hell of a lot more than $20.00 to have these throttle bodies done. It's really funny that we have sold close to 100 of these ported throttle bodies and you literally are the first person to complain. If you know so much why don't you try to port your own and 'center it up' and see the outcome.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>Third, the bump stop was clearly cut with a die grinder, not a CNC. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">So what? I do every throttle stop by hand. The company that CNC ports the throttle bodies doesn't do the throttle stop mod. You had also bitched on the phone that the throttle blade only opened 82.5 degrees. Guess what? They open a lot less than that from the factory and if they go too far it will cause an SES light because of overtravel from the TPS.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>Fourth, the throttle body I receive has dings on it that make the throttle bore non round.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">That is kind of odd since the throttle bore isn't touched.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>Fifth, the person who milled the throttle blade made an error and milled the screws deeper than the rest. The screws should be the thickest part, not the thinnest.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Get your facts straight. The throttle blade isn't milled. The throttle shaft has been milled.
There was no mistake in the way the throttle shaft was milled. The whole point was to minimize
the disruption of the airflow around the throttle shaft. In that light it was kind of silly to leave the screws sticking up higher than everything else to reduce airflow.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>Sixth, my throttle body had ALUMINUM FILINGS in it (on the outside of the bearing, where the throttle position sensor mounts).</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Again I suspect you are full of it, but if it did then I am sorry. Every one of the throttle bodies is cleaned before it leaves here. I didn't see any aluminum filings on it when it left here. Anyway it would be a simple matter to use compressed air to clean it out.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>It would take me longer to fix your throttle body than to do my own, except some of the machining mistakes you made can't be fixed at all!</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">It seems to me that all you were trying to do was get ahold to a known good working throttle body and copy it. Now you are trying to bully us into taking it back and give you your money back after you saw how it was done.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>As far as the lid goes, it's a backform vacuumed piece of plastic that can't have cost more than $3 to produce.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">We don't manufacture the lids. Whisper, Direct-Flo,MTI and a couple of others actually manufacture lids. We are just a reseller. I honestly don't know what it costs to manufacture one, but I will say that our cost is sure a hell of a lot more than $3.00. We are selling the exact same product that other vendors on this site sell for about the same price. If you think you would be better served buying another brand of lid from another vendor then go for it...
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>You sell an unsatisfactory quality product and you insist on a 20% restocking fee. Why?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The products shipped to you were exactly as represented on the web sight. If the products were faulty (which they weren't) we will either replace them or issue store credit. If you want your money back then there is a restocking fee. This policy is consistant with most other vendors.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>And as far as posting my name publically on this list, that's pretty stupid. I dont particularly care, but if I did you'd out find my attorney would make your life hell.
Your company is in the business of bilking people. It's bad enough that you want 20% to take back faulty and unsatisfactory parts, but a worse trajedy is the poor customer who's stupid enough to put up with it.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">As far as posting your name goes,YOU decided to make this a public issue. Whats the matter, you one of those people who is real brave behind a phone or keyboard but not in real life.
I don't respond well to threats or libelous and slanderous statements. You might want evaluate what you are saying before running off at the mouth.
<small>[ July 02, 2002, 11:26 AM: Message edited by: Geoff ]</small>