Im stilllll undecided on what LongTubes to get. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" />
I'm thinking of the SLP's. I hear they make the most power and they stand by what they say. If anyone has any info on what they think PLEASE tell me. I've been looking at FLP's, and TTS's. I'm pretty sure i don't want hookers. I dont know anything about which is easier to install <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />
ANY opinions please.
thx guys
-jon

 

Why wouldnt you want hookers? Just curious. Thanks

 

I wouldn't get the slp long tubes. They hang to low and you will have clearance problems. I have the tts long tubes and they fit great. No banging floor boards. I would get a custom y-pipe made since their's is kind of weak. They are 1 3/4" primaries with a 3" collector, and they have 1/2" flange that isn't going to warp. The hookers are great deal for the money too.

 

I myself was dead set on the Hookers, until I heard that Jet Hot was making headers for our cars,apparently they have managed to keep the Hookers low price and improve on the few shortcommings they had, This is what Jet Hot says about thim::


-The Jet Hot headers are full length headers with 1 3/4x3" collectors. The collectors are designed for a slip on Y pipe.

-The headers are 16gauge tubes(vs the hooker headers that are 18gauge which is thinner).

-The headers have a 3/8" flange thickness(the hookers measure 5/16").

-We designed the headers with cleaner welds and on the tubes.

-We designed the flange to have a flat surface(no tubes pushed though and welded) for a better bolt up to the heads(no warpage or leaking). The tubes are welded on both sides of the flange(not just on the inside).

-The O2 bungs have been moved to the inside of the collectors which will work with the factory hook up(no O2 ext wires are needed).

-We have designed the headers to be tighter tubes but they will be in the same location as the Hooker collectors. The tubes are closer to being equal length than the Hooker headers.

-Due to so many different option and the addtional cost, we included the standard bolts and paper gaskets.

We are working on a off road Y pipe(the hooker Y pipe will work if needed). I'm still trying to get a Y pipe with Cats. If I can get one made, it won't be for several months.

Due to the amount of R&D involved in the project, we are offering a GP price of the Jet Hot long tube headers,coated in&out with the sterling silver price for ****$511 TO YOUR DOOR****. We still offer the lifetime corrosion warranty and the 3yr finish warranty.

I am gonna wait and see what some people have to say about them before I allow myself to be a product Guinni Pig,With the LS1 cars its all about fitment, all brands of LTs for our cars are going to make almost identical power, but fit and finish is the key, who cares if one brand of header makes 2 more HP than another if you have to grind here and beat floorpan there just to make them fit.If they can reproduce the Hookers low cost, and keep the ground clearance, and have good sealing flanges with minimal fitment problems, then I am sold.

<small>[ November 20, 2002, 01:15 AM: Message edited by: NO F-BDY BS ]</small>

 

I will be looking at getting the jet hot or hookers. I've heard that the SLP headers don't make the top end power that others do, but do make better mid range torque. I've also heard they are a real PITA to install. The FLPs are good, but a little high price for my taste, but they do include cats with interchangeable straigh pipe...so if emmisions are a concern take a look at them.

 

Hookers for me.
FLPs have WAY too many quality issues for $1300 headers... some downright scary.
SLPs hang low, cost high.
TTS, not much of an opinion here... have heard of a few issues, nothing major.
Macs, High $$$ for mid-lengths without coating.
Any shorty is no better than stock.
No opinion on others.

 

Stainless Works is coming out with LT that are made of 304 grade stainless <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> They make LS1 LT to fit 67-69 Camaro too <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
www.stainlessworks.net

 

I supprised nobody said anything about grotts yet now that Ihear about the jet hots im torn betwene the hookers the jet hots and the grotts. I might just become a lab rat for jet hot, the price is right for all the features you get ($511 to my door <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" /> ) right now I feelthoes 3 are the best for the buck, but still its 3 instead of 1.

 

NO FBDY summed it up the best I think. I would love a set of TTS but I can't justify that much money. I'm almost sold on the JetHot headers, but I want to see some results first. I don't wanna be the guini pig like he said. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

 

Dynatechs. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
Buy Hooker 1.75"-3" collectors. $145 for both.
Build true dual system.
You now have a complete exhaust for the price of the FLPs or the TTS headers and Y-pipe system!

 

TTS <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="gr_images/icons/cool.gif" />

 

no complaints on hookers. although they arnt installed. i know alot of people are bashing them about quality but mine look great. Jet-Hot coated inside and out <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by BoscoZ28:
<strong>Why wouldnt you want hookers? Just curious. Thanks</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by BoscoZ28:
<strong>Why wouldnt you want hookers? Just curious. Thanks</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">MHO on LS1 headers

Hookers - Avoid

Primaries needed slag ground down inside primary where joined to the flange.

Flange surfaces needed filing to make to smooth it out in a few places.

O2 bung welded in the wrong place. Have to grind out the metal because it's misaligned or the O2 sensor won't be in the exhaust stream. Well actually it's so badly aligned the O2 couldn't be screwed all the way in as 2/3 of the hole was covered.

1/4 inch gap that wasn't welded. Gap was so bad you could blow compressed air thru it!

Natually, all this repair work has ruined the coating in a few spots. If anyone is considering buying a set of Hookers, I suggest get the headers uncoated and clean this stuff up then send them back and get them coated.


I like the design of the Hookers better so the money isn't really the issue. However, the quality of the set of Hookers I got sucked!

Do yourself a favor if you want a header with a similar design to the Hooker and try the Jet Hot's instead. I don't think it's possible for the Jet Hot Headers to have worse quailty than my Hookers.

SLP Long Tubes - Avoid

Hang low. Enhance mid-range torque at expense of high rpm. Saw dyno graphs from same car: SLP's vs MAC's. The SLP were ~10rwhp & torque over the MAC's until ~4500rpm, then the MAC's were ~10-12 rwhp & torque better than the SLP's.

[b]MAC - worth considering[/b}
Well worth considering if your willing to clean them up.

FLP - well worth considering
Make good hp, can swap the cat's and ORP. Good power. Good quality. Minor annoyances sometimes Y will bang & oil plug requires using a wrench instead of a ratchet.

TTS - Consider
Cat's were restrictive in the past. Good design. Not as flexiable with ORP & cats like the SLP's & FLP's are. Appear to make good numbers. I am not aware of quailty issues or fit issues.

Grot's - Roger isn't in business anymore <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_tounge.gif" />

Excellent header with quailty issues. Lot's of people had AIR tubes break/blow out due to welding etc. Excellent power. Grot built Y pipe poor reputation. Better to get custom one built to suit your needs. Very hard to find anyone that actually had these headers in stock.

QTP/Grot's - Well worth considering
Quailty probably better with Roger out of the picture. Excellent power. Actually available for purchase.

JBA - worth considering due to smog ****'s JBA's are legal. Not a big hp maker. 00+ cast manifolds about equal with JBA shorty. Excellent quality.

Jet-Hot - Well worth considering I think of this as a quailty Hooker with improvements and potential few quality issues. Thicker flange and thicker metal than Hooker. Should make the power and be a bargin. Hard to beat! I think MORE Performance & Thunder Racing sell the same header under a private label.

However, with headers as with many things, each to their own...

 

here is an online header poll..
http://ls1info.com/pollBooth.php?op=...&order=&thold=

I use SLP long tubes kit..

high quality !

 

wow guys thanx alot for the info <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> I never knew id get so many replies. I'm really tempted for the FLP's. Does anyone knoe anything about the thunderracing LS1 headers? I am just now looking at them wondering if they are any good. I was really wondering what LT headers would make the most power at mid-high RPM.(my redline will be @6600) I had my heart set on slp(they claim 41 hp with highflow cats) but my car is lowered 1.3 in so i guess thats out <img border="0" title="" alt="[Sad]" src="gr_sad.gif" /> Anyway thank you so much guys you are really helping me out with stuff i don't know anything about!
jon

<small>[ November 21, 2002, 12:18 AM: Message edited by: 02smknSS ]</small>

 

I want to get the SLP's when I have the funds. That could be only because I am a SLP bolt on *****! LOL! I will deal with the cleareance issues.

<img border="0" alt="[Firebird]" title="" src="graemlins/formula.gif" />

 

These are the only way to fly:

QTP/Grot's - Well worth considering
Quailty probably better with Roger out of the picture. Excellent power. Actually available for purchase.

 

I think its been concluded that the Hookers were the best bang for da buck in LT's. But now that the Jet HOt headers are out, they will probly become VERY popular. I ordered a set on monday. They should be ehre next week sometime.

 

I went through the same agony *L* of indecision a few months back when trying to decide myself which headers to buy. I spent HOURS online researching and reading...ended up with the FLP's and I'm more than happy with 'em! I would have went with the Grots at the time IF they'd been available as they seemed to show the most consistently superior ability to produce the most hp (don't believe SLP's claim of 41 hp WITH cats LOL!). The others all seemed about the same hp-wise. I settled on the FLP's for a couple reasons - the ability to EASILY remove cats, ease(comparatively speaking) of install, and they tuck up nicely so they'll work on a lowered car ok.

<small>[ November 21, 2002, 01:14 AM: Message edited by: BillWS6Formula ]</small>

 

My opinion, would be the new Jet-Hot headers or some variation of the old Grott headers (Quicktime or Thunder Racing).

Jet-Hot would be cheaper and have a lot going for them. The revived Grott headers (QTP or Thunder) would probably make a little more power but cost a bit more... I have been reading this board for a long time, and to this day I have never heard of any header making more power than the Grott design - many were close, but the Grott's ALWAYS made more power - they are an excellent design. The problem most people had with the Grott's were that you couldn't actually buy them, and the customer service sucked if you did... Also I think some people had issues with the coating - rusting. I think the quality and availability issues are gone since QTP and Thunder have entered the market with the Grott design.

If money is not the issue, I would get the 'New" Grott's from QTP or Thunder. The Jet-Hot would be almost as good and cost 100 - 200 dollars less.

SLP's hang too low are a pain to install, also seem to make the LEAST power out of any LT...

FLP's are good but cost a lot, also some possible banging issues.

TTS - only heard good things about them but I think they also cost more... and cats they supply aren't supposed to be too good...

Hookers would be OK, but I think some people have reported some quality issues (which Jet-Hot seem to have addressed)

Bottom line:
Best header - Grott (from QTP or Thunder)

Best header for the money: Jet-Hot

<small>[ November 21, 2002, 01:29 AM: Message edited by: Red2000SS ]</small>